SEABEAST Stars 5/10

[tedtodd]

Love your vids! Stars>Party

[Melchiades]

I don't think he says it's tougher, just different.

[SEABEAST]

domir:

yeah, you are right that you are turning your hand faceup.

basically the choice is between checking behind and making your hand easier to get to showdown, or betting the flop because of balancing your range and not turning your hand faceup.

against an opponent who will stay in line i agree with what you said, and i think betting the flop is better, but against guys that don't play standard, and might either bet the turn and river as a bluff, or checkraise the flop as a bluff, i prefer to just check behind and call down.

i felt like he was out of line and aggro enough that he would be likely to pounce on weakness.

it's kind of a catch 22 thing because if he's good, he should be able to read my hand and only bet with an ace or better, but if i thought he was good, i would have just bet the flop.

[SEABEAST]

melchiades: yeah i think you're mostly right, but it does matter a little bit because of card removal (obv you know this) and also i will actually 4-bet/call there sometimes vs the threebettor (not the original raiser obv tho) since i'm only making the 4-bet if i think villain is super aggro, and if he knows i know that then he might still shove wide enough because he knows i know he might have a wide range and my play will look super strong etc etc.

i didn't really know adsanman well enough to do anything but fold, but the reason i paused i guess is that vs really spewy guys (scandis, russians) i will 4-bet there with AQ but not A2 because i feel i have to call allin. just used to at least considering the situation i guess.

[SEABEAST]

leakyfaucet: fair enough! i probably do make party comparisons a little too much and i can see how that would be annoying for someone who wasn't able to play there.

i guess it's just that i'm known for playing on party, and im aware that a lot of people that like my videos like them because they also play on party, and that makes some of what i talk about especially relevant to them.

i will try make less comparisons, and fwiw i think a higher winrate is achievable on party than on stars or FT in general, but you also get more tough decisions on party too.

[Nielsio]

Calling the overbet with K9 is a mistake imo.

He clearly loves his hand so it's either a big draw or made hand. And because he bet so much he'll talk himself into calling a raise with both (i.e. he'll snapcall it).

Furthermore: calling the overbet is going to make it much less likely for him to keep bluffing.

I would at least double his turn-bet.

[SEABEAST]

he had jack high for a gutshot though?

and has enough left to bluff the river

i thought he often had nothing in that spot, and, not being results oriented, but the fact that he called the flop with jack high no draw just to donk-overbet bluff me on the turn kinda demonstrates in and of itself that he is bluffy enough that calling the turn is correct, doesnt it?

[domir]

I'm agree with Seabeast on that K9 hand. He looked like he was going to shove the river on any card. Like he had clear plan -- insta overbet turn, leaving just about pot sized river shove.

Seabest:

Yeah agree that KK hand. Then it gets interesting when you know that villain thinks that its bad Bluff spot cause you aren't folding KK, so now he should bluff it knowing that you think he should have Ax+ cause its bad spot to bluff and now you are folding KK, lol.

[Nielsio]

Originally Posted by SEABEAST

he had jack high for a gutshot though?

and has enough left to bluff the river

i thought he often had nothing in that spot, and, not being results oriented, but the fact that he called the flop with jack high no draw just to donk-overbet bluff me on the turn kinda demonstrates in and of itself that he is bluffy enough that calling the turn is correct, doesnt it?

This post is entirely results oriented. Not sure how to respond to that..

[IcarusJam]

I liked it all personally, i felt like you were clear headed and really broke down ranges well. US sites don't like u tho :-p