SEABEAST Stars 5/10

[SEABEAST]

nielsio,

a) it's not results oriented, i already explained why it isn't - the fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter that his hand was J8o, it matters that he called the flop TO bluff the turn.

this means that his range on the turn is VERY WIDE because he is not betting because he has J8o, he is betting because he decided to try and take a pot from me, and if he will play J8o he will play many many other trash hands too.

and if, when he flops nothing with J8o he calls to bluff the turn because of how he perceives me, then he will do the same with all his other random trash, because he is making a play for game flow reasons not for anything related to his specific hand.

this means straight up that his range is massive here, which in turn means that his most frequent holding here, is a bluff.

that is basic logic, if he has chosen to play J8o this way he would have chosen to play 53s or QTo the same way too, and if his range is this wide then mathematically he is bluffing most of the time, because not very many hands are strong enough to legitimately put out a donk-overbet on K972.

can you see what i am saying?

sometimes results can tell us whether a play was correct or not, not because of what they held that one time, but because of what it tells us about how they were playing.

my read at the time was that his range was weak, and that he would bluff the river.

it's not important that i was right that one time, but it is important that with extrapolation we can see from his holding that my line was correct.

b) i have noticed from your posts that you make some extrapolations of your own sometimes, specifically you seem to assume that your opponents are usually making plays based in sound logic, that their plays will always make sense.

you gotta understand that bad players are sometimes simply bad - they aren't making slightly flawed small mistakes, or getting wrong reads, or whatever... they are sometimes just spewing out random actions without *really* thinking about what or understanding what they're doing.

[ladymuck]

I noticed you opened the SB (blind on blind) with a wide range, can you discuss your strategy for theses B.O.B. situations?

[XTR1k]

I like this one a lot

[XTR1k]

Could you go more into detail about that 58 hand you b/3b shoved on Qx96? Somehow I always want to cut myself, when my only reasoning is "I just dont believe him" when we´re not too deep in the match yet and I lack of solid reads on villian.

[SEABEAST]

Originally Posted by ladymuck

I noticed you opened the SB (blind on blind) with a wide range, can you discuss your strategy for theses B.O.B. situations?

sure. basically it just depends how the player in the bb plays.

if they are really tight, the type not to put pressure on you, multitabling nit type thing, then you sometimes wanna open 100% of hands just to steal. like on ipoker where there are a lot of 16/12 guys that would never really threebet a hand worse than AT or KJ, and will fold connectors and stuff, you probably want to open all hands.

if they are really laggy and will threebet you a lot, then you want to open a much tighter range, so that you can continue vs a threebet a fairly high amount of the time he threebets you. he is gonna resteal enough that pure stealing won't really be profitable, so you mostly want to open hands you have some kind of interest in, and hope he doesn't adjust (because then his threebet frequency will be too high vs your range).

if they are really loose passive fish type guy, then you don't want to open stuff that plays really badly postflop because they will often call preflop and then call flops, but you will want to open anything that does play ok postflop, for obvious reasons. so i would always open stuff like 98o, or T7s, but not K2o 83s or any real trash.

obviously most of the time players fall somewhere in between these categories, but it's just a sliding scale depending on how often they will threebet, fold, or call.

[SEABEAST]

Originally Posted by XTR1k

Could you go more into detail about that 58 hand you b/3b shoved on Qx96? Somehow I always want to cut myself, when my only reasoning is "I just dont believe him" when we´re not too deep in the match yet and I lack of solid reads on villian.

yeah that was probably bad. i just felt like he was representing so few hands, and was playing very loose, whereas i was playing pretty aggressive...

so i thought he might just have been trying to take it from me on the turn cos he didn't have showdown value himself, but he thought i was FOS.

on that board there were so few hands that could genuinely raise the turn, but you are definitely right that making those plays without a good read is usually a bad idea.

most of the time you gotta just let him have it the first time, make a mental note and then pay special attention to what he does in future hands.

[jurrr]

<3 seabeast

party vids are better than stars tho

[jurrr]

Good video, thanks for turning on the 4-color deck. HUD would have been nice tho.

Originally Posted by TheLeakyFaucet

Every vid I watch is you making comparisons between a site and party.. And how you are always defending party saying how tough it is there. It gets kinda old

imo the comparisons are well worth it. I like very much how Jay compares the different sites.