4b pot crappy flush draw

[Unknown Soldier]

$0.5/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
CO ($126.35)
Hero ($132.30)
SB ($99.00)
BB ($30.25)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 4 players) Hero is BTN 5 J 9 T
CO raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $12, SB calls $11.50, 1 fold, CO raises to $49, Hero calls $37, SB calls $37

Flop: 2 Q 3 ($148, 3 players)
SB goes all-in $50, CO goes all-in $77.35, Hero?


pfr was opening q. a few hands. No real post flop reads, but seemed decent. sb is a complete unknown.

I think pf is pretty standard once i 3b, right?

Do I have enough overall equity against their ranges to get it in here given the odds I'm getting? Obviously I'm crushed against a higher flush draw, but I imagine co has 100% of AAxx on his range.

[clayton]

ugh, math

i think there is merit, as a whole, to be 3betting a smaller amount in position versus a frequent raiser (something like making it 9-10 if its normal'ish stacks), and more towards pot if 200bb+. just a thought.

as for flop, honestly have no idea, but leaning towards a fold.

[d2themfi]

i think this is a very easy fold, altho I dont know how to do like a weighted analysis of ranges proving ur equity is too low, llike u can do with pokerstove or stox ev in holdem

I just think ur flush draw is dominated way too often to call here

edit: Im not too sure,but I think calling the 4bet pre is a mistake. My reasoning is that when u cal the sb will tag along, and his range for CCing a 3bet then calling the 4bet will often have ur rundown dominated since u haeve the dangler, I def could be wrong tho

[benve79]

I agree, your FD is dominated too often, so id fold i think, or at least i think folding is correct :-)

as far as calling pref Id say its ok.

all of this is just my feeling though

[Sc000t]

I'd fold at every opportunity you had in this hand.

Preflop is marginal but I think fold >raise> call most of the time preflop. Def fold to the 4bet and def fold the flop.

[Unknown Soldier]

oh, why is my hand so bad pf?

[Sc000t]

It's not SOOO bad, I just don't like flatting hands vs raises, especially if I'm up against a wider range.

I know you didn't flat it and like the fact that you elected to 3bet it instead of just call but I still wouldn't of played the hand. I'd open it had CO folded but after he raises I'd tighten up.

Again, I think 3betting is better than just calling though, but after he 4bets, you should pitch this. Its nothign to just give up on your 3bet, its not that many BBs to me.

[Unknown Soldier]

i value your opinion much more than mine when it comes to plo, but I'm stubborn and you haven't convinced me yet, so here are my thoughts. please rip them apart


I think folding this hand at these stakes otb is bad, I don't think playing this is too marginal. The btn is the absolute nuts in plo and the majority of players at 50c/1 seem to play really weak and I can just win the pot sooo often post flop. I think flatting is o.k. I wouldn't be flatting in the co, but I have the btn so i can do what i want! However, i think 3b q. a bit otb is a good strategy (until they adjust, which players at these stakes rarely seem to) so I just pick decentish hands and win w/o sd so often and I think this hand more then qualifies. 3 connected cards, double suited. The 5 isn't great for the hand, but unfortunately we aren't always dealt 89TJds.

So sb coldcalls which could mean a lot at this level. co 4b which is AA like 99% of the time. I have decent equity vs AAxx and am pretty much guaranteed a 3-way pot. I think the call of the 4b is marginal and as d2 said, my rundown could be dominated and I honestly have no idea whether calling the 4b is correct, but it seemed reasonable to me. However, I'm still pretty sure i should be playing this hand otb somehow even though someone has already entered the pot.

[d2themfi]

gotta agreee with US, folding this hand to a co raise is incredibly nitty imo. JT9xds is actually a pretty good hand in this spot with the button

I do agree tho that 3bet>>>> call pre, altho I def think I can turn a profit cold calling this hand otb vs a co raise at 50c/1$, but 3betting is so much better

I wish I knew more about calling % of ur stack off in PLO, I a still unsure what to do to the 4bet

[theashman103]

I think we are winning 25% or more of the time. Call.