Is this bad?

[d2themfi]

FullTiltPoker Game #8407435850: Table Encarta (6 max) - $1/$2 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 20:59:52 ET - 2008/10/08
Seat 1: LordBluff ($200)
Seat 2: Pool2005 ($803.60)
Seat 3: D2THEMFI ($224.45)
Seat 4: ykamikaze ($684.75)
Seat 5: Mike Faherty ($380.05)
Seat 6: BS20 ($37)
Pool2005 posts the small blind of $1
D2THEMFI posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to D2THEMFI [Kc Kd Jc Qd]
ykamikaze has 15 seconds left to act
ykamikaze raises to $7
Mike Faherty calls $7
BS20 folds
LordBluff folds
Pool2005 calls $6
D2THEMFI raises to $35
ykamikaze raises to $119
Mike Faherty folds
Mike Faherty stands up
Pool2005 folds
blumpster adds $200
D2THEMFI has 15 seconds left to act
D2THEMFI calls $84
*** FLOP *** [2d 8s 3d]
D2THEMFI bets $105.45, and is all in


villain was like 64/24 or there abouts, my image should be aggro esp preflop, definitely been 3betting more than any1

[DODGYKEN]

Disclaimer: I'm still in suck mode at PLO.

It kinda seems like you should just stick it in preflop if you're going to stop and go. The only reason to do this move would be to get him to fold when he has you beat. He's obviously not folding AAxx here, so you're better off checking and letting him bluff with his unpaired hands. If for some reason you decided to do this with four unpaired cards and diamonds it seems like it would make more sense.

[benve79]

he needs 22.8% of equity to call, any hand in his range has equity to call your push (he doesnt even need a pair, str8 draw or overcards are enough), and hes got aces almost always, so the push is only to prevent a very unlikely check behind.
conlusion: its not bad, it just doesnt matter imo.

[d2themfi]

I mean I know post is standard, or atleast that I should c/c in order to get it in.

Im more concerned if preflop is a mistake or not I guess

[benve79]

Originally Posted by d2themfi

I mean I know post is standard, or atleast that I should c/c in order to get it in.

Im more concerned if preflop is a mistake or not I guess

against random aces preflop you have 37.5% of equity, if hes got wraps in his range your equity improves, so you cant fold preflop. Shoving preflop has zero folding equity, so you you might as well call and fold some % of flops you dont like, if you know his range his aces 95+% of the times (which is not unusual imo). you might checkfold flops like 456 no clubs no diamonds, low monotone flops, low paired flops. examples, against random aces you have the following amount of equity (to be compared with 22.8% you need to call a flop shove)

4h5h5s 12.5%
4h5h6s 11.9%
4h5hTs 17.4%
4h7d8s 18.5%

so there will be some non zero % of flops where you'll be able to make a good fold, saving you some chips.

This situation is a consequence of the variance you get by 3betting KKds preflop, but it does not mean its bad to 3bet such good kings.

Does this make sense?

[d2themfi]

yes yes. My main concern was whether it was correct to continue once I was 4bet. I dont knw enough about how much of ur stack u can put in preflop and then fold the flop, and that kind of stuff

Fwiw I was almost sure he had AAxx from his timing and all the other obvious factors(positions, etc)

[Sc000t]

Hand is standard.

I'd check/call this flop though. Its pretty marginal since over 90% of the time I expect you to get it in whether you c/c or lead but AAxx is never folding to this board after a 4bet, but lets let something else stick it in with us too. I know its rare but I don't want to give a weaker hand to fold vs us if we just open shove the flop. There also is a slight possibility that he freezes up with a bad AAxx and no redraw hand because he isn't use to playing 4bet pots. Again, rarely happening I know but you never give yourself the chance if you lead out. I expect us to gain no FE here vs hands we want it against.