I hate this game and I suck: Part 1

[Sc000t]

Originally Posted by aejones

If we're going to pick one to peel, it's definitely 2, right?

Most definately.

I wouldn't even peel hand one without a read or a plan to bluff scare cards or valuebet blank board pairs because on just about any turn, we still won't be happy with our hand.

I'd just fold hand 1 to the lead. Too often you're going to have to fold the turn anyway and the times you won't will be when he checks and then you???? so ya, I'd get out on the flop and not try to guess my way through a hand with one pair and now draw and no plan.

Two is a peel for me for sure 10 nut outs with our overpair and a back door flush draw is good enough for me on a no flush/no straight flop.



EDIT: Ok, missread hand two. Ok, both are folds but if you had to peel one, its still hand two. I thought we flopped an OESD with the board 69x. For hand 2, hes only doing this with strong draws, pair + draws or strong hands and at best vs some of those hands your a slight favorite but you won't know that anywhere in the hand so won't be able to protect it or valuebet it when your equity changes so I'd just get out now.

[grizy123]

Originally Posted by DODGYKEN

Ok, please no holding back. I cannot win at PLO. I'm a clever guy. I own NL regularly at medium/high stakes. I don't get it. Please make me suck less.

I'm trying to figure out what my line/thinking should be in certain situations. I don't have a good grasp of ranges or tendencies in PLO yet, and I often find myself having very little idea of what is correct.

So here are two spots where a very aggressive player donks into me. He's playing 81/27/2.1 over 60ish hands. What range of hands does he have to do this in each hand?


Hand 1

$1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($816.90)
Hero ($207.95)
BTN ($393.55)
SB ($87.25)
BB ($474.60)

Pre-flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is CO T A A K
UTG calls $2, Hero raises to $9, 3 folds, UTG calls $7

Flop: T 5 8 ($21, 2 players)
UTG bets $21, Hero is confused

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Hand 2

$1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($942.45)
Hero ($200.00)
BTN ($197.00)
SB ($110.00)
BB ($482.50)

Pre-flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is CO 8 K K 7
UTG calls $2, Hero raises to $9, 1 fold, SB calls $8, 1 fold, UTG calls $7

Flop: 8 6 2 ($29, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $29, Hero hates PLO

Raising hand 1 is spew but I peel vs. most regs with a plan (without one you gotta fold here). Peeling hand 2 is loose but probably solid play given your position.