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Old 12-05-2008, 07:27 PM
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Default Live PLO flop and turn decision deep

Live $1/2 PLO, deep stacked.

I limp call early position with

3 6 7 9

(three mega fish at the table, I wanted to get into as many pots with them as possible since it was a race to get their stacks, they would call often to the river with mediocre hands like bottom sets and 3 pair and sometimes call the river bets too). We see a flop for $10 each (we round up the first raise in that game from $7 to $10) seven handed.

Flop is 4 5 K.

Blinds check, I lead out for pot ($80). Girl who is an aggressive player immediately repots it to $320 behind me. I have about $1400 behind and she has me covered. Shortie on the button (older guy, doesn't strike me as particularly good, has called the river and mucked face down on several occasions already, and is not very aggressive) has exactly $320 and calls and everyone has folded to me.

Given my reads on the girl, I know right away that she has KKxx. There hasn't been very much 3Bing at the table (only AAxx) so I have no idea how good the KKxx hand is, BUT the K is still out there. Just from my (limited) reads, it seemed like she really really wanted me to fold, so I put a little more weight into the fact that she probably had just a bare set of Kings and was worried about draws hitting.

Since the other man hadn't really shown down many hands, it was hard to put him on a set or flush draw or combo draw (or much of anything since he had folded the river so often).

Any thoughts on my flop action?

I decided to just flat the extra $240 and see a turn with a main pot of $1040 and no side pot. I have just over a PSB left and I'm OOP.

My normal line here if just HU would be to flat the flop raise and call/shove any blank non-pairing turn.... but does the presence of the third AI player and a dry side pot influence my play? My read on the shortie's hand range is pretty wide (I assume he's not very good) and could include a higher flush draw, set, etc.
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Old 12-05-2008, 09:22 PM
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Default Re: Live PLO flop and turn decision deep

Fooled around with some equity calcs and on a completely blank turn youll be 45% and on the flop you're only 51%. Intuitively to me I would just flat the flop and shove any turn that I hit (i think ur oop right?) and prob c/c again on any turn that blanks and doesnt pair the board

If u hit a straight but not a flush on the turn and shove into her she might decide here 28% equity vs a straight, and the % chance u are semi bluffing a flush draw makes it good enough to call, and you would have induced her into a mistake vs ur hand. If you hit a flush I think you have to shove just to not give a free card bc its pretty unlikely she will bet if u check, and again, maybe she will make a loose call, altho more unlikely when the flush hits I think

I think you should open shove an A turn too since u have 45% equity, and maybe shel put u on AAxx with the nfd, or some wrap that had 32 in it.

It just occured to me that maybe this is one of those spots where its better to wait till the turn to see if the board pairs.
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Old 12-07-2008, 01:20 AM
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Default Re: Live PLO flop and turn decision deep

very nice post d2themfi
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