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[d2themfi]

Std? First hand of the match


$1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN Hero ($285.60)
BB jaws2481 ($200.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 2 players) Hero is BTN A T 3 9
Hero raises to $6, jaws2481 raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: 8 Q 5 ($36, 2 players)
jaws2481 bets $36, Hero raises to $144, jaws2481 goes all-in $182, Hero calls $38


He bought in for 200bbs at a deep table, Weve swung 20bbs or so either way and are about even after about 30 hands or so. He has played somewhat std, about 90/80 from the button and 50/10 from the BB, not overly aggro postflop or preflop, but not super passive either. Ive 3bet him twice, 1 hand I bet and he folded, another We both checked the flop and I check folded the turn to a small bet


$1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN Level 12 Wizard ($438.50)
BB Hero ($234.50)

Pre-flop: ($3, 2 players) Hero is BB 5 6 J 7
Level 12 Wizard raises to $6, Hero raises to $18, Level 12 Wizard calls $12

Flop: 4 6 4 ($36, 2 players)
Hero bets $24, Level 12 Wizard raises to $52, Hero ?




This guy is from Russia, and super aggro. He 3bet about 50% of hands throughout the match, constantly betting postflop (altho he showed a tendency to slowplay some good hands, but only when he had the initiative really). Besides being aggro he really doesnt like to fold postflop either.

I think he would check back every worse hand that has showdown value on the river, and would not value bet KKxx either(which I think he gets to the river like this with KKxx). IF he floated the flop and turned a draw id expect him to bet the river always assuming he has no showdown value.

On the other hand I would not be surprised if I shoved to be looked up with a fair amount of worse hands as well, which makes the decision b/w betting and checking fairly interesting I think. Fwiw I dont think check fold is an option vs him. Most of his 2 pair hands he is shoving on the flop so its fairly rare he shows up with a 7 here I think

$1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
2 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
BTN TTR-RUS ($244.50)
BB Hero ($207.50)

Pre-flop: ($3, 2 players) Hero is BB 2 A J Q
TTR-RUS raises to $4, Hero raises to $12, TTR-RUS calls $8

Flop: Q 7 2 ($24, 2 players)
Hero bets $16, TTR-RUS calls $16

Turn: 3 ($56, 2 players)
Hero bets $45, TTR-RUS calls $45

River: 7 ($146, 2 players)
Hero

[Unknown Soldier]

1. id play the same

2. i dont know, if you think he's bluffing shove? since you have a 6 makes it more of a shove i guess, and its can't be too bad since his range is gonna be really polarized in this spot.

3. i imagine most of his draws will have sd value since the flop is really dry and Qd is nowhere in sight. So if it's between c/c and shove then shove.

[benve79]

hand 1 i'd be a bit scared of him full potting the flop, but im not sure id do anything else

hand 2, if his range is polarized to a 4 or nothing, could we CIB?
the EV of shoving wrt to folding is (he calls x times)

x (-87$) + (1-x)(+112$) (i assume vs his calling range we have 22.5% of equity, after some propoketools)

so its marginal if he's value raising-calling 56% of the times. so if we think hes bluffing half of the times we have a profitable shove, i dunno how much hes bluffing though :-)

hand 3 i like shoving better

[d2themfi]

Re: hand 2- Yea I thought when he basically minraised that flop he has a boat the vast majority of the time that he has a made hand. I rarely see people play even 4xxx like that. OTOH i rarely see people do anything other than slowplay when they do hit a boat on that board, so i dont even know what to think

What I ended up doing was calling, planning on bluffing the river if he checked back the turn and I didnt hit a straight or a 6. The turn was another 4 which I thought might slow him down on all his bluffs, but he quickly bet just under half pot and i folded after a lil deliberation. I suppose its possible he had a strangely played AAxx or something also idk

[Sc000t]

H1) Is not standard, especially on the first hand of a match. I don't think its a very bad play to look for FE but I usually want a better hand going up against an unknown that has played the hand as aggressive as he posssibly can. Benve's point about him full potting this should be noted as well. If you want to contend with this pot, another option/line is to flat this as a semi float/semi chase sort of reason. He may shut down on a ton of turns and freeze up and allow you to more creditably bluff or/and see free river cards and extract or bluff on what would then be a scarier board.

H2) Bet this flop harder to avoid this, play this flop like you had a big pair. While I don't believe him really here, I think your only option would be to raise this and that gets into you into a bad spot. I think calling is your worst option as its just burning money most of the time. Fold >Raise >>>>Call. And again, either cbet more or not at all.

H3) Seems like a standard C/C here. A vbet here targests worse Q's only and a KQxx is only ahead of air on the river after you 3barrel. Check it and maybe we can get a bluff, it also protects you against the rare times he has a boat or the random 7.

[d2themfi]

Originally Posted by Sc000t

H2) Bet this flop harder to avoid this, play this flop like you had a big pair.

Im not sure what you mean? This is exactly how Id play a big pair, 4x, a big wrap. air. I dont see the need to bet anything bigger with any of these hands?


re- hand 1 I think I like floating better also. If I had the nfd and a gutter then I think it makes it a easy shove

re- hand 3- while I wont disagree that checking is better, I think u misunderestimate how many worse Qxxx hands he has here, and overestimate hsi ability to fold them despite only beating a bad bluff. THis guy was russian and a pretty huge spew factory from what I had seen



just wanna add here that I still have no clue what to do, IM just trying toi play devils advocate. IM not trying to say that I disagree, cos I honestly dont knw just trying to get the most discussion possible

thanks for every1 that responded so far

[d2themfi]

oh that said tho on hand 2 calling might be terrible, ill concede that. Fwiw tho I think the fact that I was planning on bluffing rivers the times he checks the turn could potentially make it good tho. I dont think hes going to follow through on bluffing on turns, but he may be super strong here such a high % of the time that I should just be bet folding.

[benve79]

Id just like to mention that in hand 2 even a "dry" 13 outs wrap is not so good in terms of equity, if you want some equity vs trips you need 16/17 outs wraps or a "6" + a 13outs wrap.

[Sc000t]

Originally Posted by benve79

Id just like to mention that in hand 2 even a "dry" 13 outs wrap is not so good in terms of equity, if you want some equity vs trips you need 16/17 outs wraps or a "6" + a 13outs wrap.

Add this to the fact that any 4xxx combo is more than likely going to block a few of those outs anyway.

[Sc000t]

Originally Posted by d2themfi

Im not sure what you mean? This is exactly how Id play a big pair, 4x, a big wrap. air. I dont see the need to bet anything bigger with any of these hands?


re- hand 1 I think I like floating better also. If I had the nfd and a gutter then I think it makes it a easy shove

re- hand 3- while I wont disagree that checking is better, I think u misunderestimate how many worse Qxxx hands he has here, and overestimate hsi ability to fold them despite only beating a bad bluff. THis guy was russian and a pretty huge spew factory from what I had seen



just wanna add here that I still have no clue what to do, IM just trying toi play devils advocate. IM not trying to say that I disagree, cos I honestly dont knw just trying to get the most discussion possible

thanks for every1 that responded so far

What I meant by bet sizing is that this bet size is going to get played back at quite a bit. Whether its your standard play or not is sort of irrelevent I guess. I think the lighter you bet here, the more you're subject to being played back at and having to guess. Where as when you bet this a bit harder, the frequency that he trys something drastically declines and its much easier to indentify when you are behind and not making a bigger mistake.


re highlighted part: This is how I learned most of my poker. I literally would comment on any hand and argue my point and try to learn other ways of thinking. I'd play devils advocate ALL the time just to try to see if there is either a different way to play the hand or a different way to think about the hand. And it has payed HUGE dividends in the long run.

For hand 1, I think you can only flat with the draw/float if you intend to be bluffing a good % of the time when he slows down. And I guess you should also assume that he will likely slow down quite a bit on a majority of turn/river combinations and allow you to bluff too. Just something to consider before you try it.

Hand 3- There is only 2 other queens in the deck. He splits you with AQ, beats you with Q7. KQ/QJ/QT etc you are ahead of but theres not a ton of playable combinations that he'd c/c c/c c/c you here with. I see only KQ/QJ and thats it on this board, and I still think thats a stretch. I just think there is more of a chance that he has a air and bluffs than he has a worse queen and calls. And even if its exactly 50/50, the small fact that he still could have you beat here adds more weight to just check/calling. I'm guesing he had QJish in this hand?