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Old 10-11-2008, 10:31 AM
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Default Pair and draw OOP in 3-bet pot

The 3-bettor is a 19/14/5.4 over 750 hands. I think he 3-bets a wide range (although I've never seen a showdown), and he views me as pretty standard I think. I've been playing somewhere around 23/17 I think.

Is this super standard? Is he likely to fold AAxx here?


$1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($34.00)
UTG+1 ($215.85)
Hero ($212.15)
BTN ($314.10)
SB ($151.30)
BB ($184.25)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is CO 5 7 6 9
2 folds, Hero raises to $7, BTN raises to $22, SB calls $21, 1 fold, Hero calls $15

Flop: 7 4 T ($68, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $46, SB folds, Hero goes all-in $190.15
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Old 10-11-2008, 02:03 PM
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Default Re: Pair and draw OOP in 3-bet pot

doing some equity calcs against hands, it could be ok.

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Old 10-13-2008, 05:59 AM
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Default Re: Pair and draw OOP in 3-bet pot

really doubt he is gonna fold AAxx if he bet it. I dont think this can be too bad, but its def not great.

I think the only thing I would for sure change, is preflop. I think id fold, Not totally sure about that but I feel like Ive been playing a bit too loose in these spots preflop, esp with the CCer a lot of the times ur wraps are gona be dominated postflop I think
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Old 10-13-2008, 06:45 PM
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Default Re: Pair and draw OOP in 3-bet pot

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Originally Posted by DODGYKEN View Post

Is this super standard? Is he likely to fold AAxx here?
I think so. dunno.

ok, let me try to give some reasoning.

I dont think you can fold this hand preflop, especially if you have any kind of read on the 3bet range. if you *know* he has aces, then you can call and play very well on the flop, moreover you have 42% of equity preflop vs random aces. If his range is more balanced its gonna be more difficult, but if you start folding that hand, then you fold way too much vs a 3bet. in general if I raise 30% of hands from the cutoff I'm folding to a wide 3bet stuff like middle pairs, dry high pairs, but usually im not folding unpaired hands, if I fold unpaired hands it will be stuff with an ace, like A458ss, not 5789ss.

On the flop you have a lot of equity vs everything (you are ahead of an overpair and you have 44.5% of equity vs 89J*, if he's got 47 or 7T with the wraps so be it, but you have blockers vs 4567 or 789T), so you cant fold. I like CRAI since hes prolly cbetting a ton on that board, and he will also cbet fold a lot of stuff.

It doesnt really matter what he does with a dry overpair, since you are slightly ahead vs those hands. (even if they fold its slighty better for us, but if he folds those hands you can maybe CRAI any OESD or any pair next time).
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Old 11-02-2008, 04:14 PM
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Default Re: Pair and draw OOP in 3-bet pot

This is pretty standard. He sorta commits himself here with his bet, but his bet size is so odd that he could be nervous of something and could be b/f'ing. Another option that could work here if you don't think you gain much FE is to flat and just shove any turn when the board will get much scarier and give him only one card to potentially outdraw a two pair sort of hand.

I like the c/r here still becaues I think we do gain FE in this situation but the other option is still doable and something to consider in similiar situations.
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Old 11-06-2008, 11:55 AM
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Default Re: Pair and draw OOP in 3-bet pot

Line is standard for me. You have good relative position pf.
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