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Thanks guys, I was just trying to convey what goes through my head when trying to analyze hands.

I started writing from the perspective on the flop then realized that that line of thinking was flawed since the turn was the major decision. I left in the ramblings in though just to show how thinking from the flop to turn can really change and effect the way we view an opponent.

I'm still not really sold that calling is better than shoving but hopefully that helps detail what we need to happen in order for one line to be better than the other. Now we can talk about how often we can expect him to have the NFD and how often he'll be folding or calling or shoving when we take either line (call or shove ourselfs).


Given the results of both players having the naked straights was a great situation for fash1k.

Against two random 56** hands, we have more equity than either player at 36% vs 32% for each of theirs. Thats random 56** hands....some of those will have NFD's and blockers to our outs tho. Against naked 56** type hands...it's be even better.

Against one random 56** hand, our equity only goes up to 38% vs the 62% for the straight. So basically if we shove and win vs one player, we win about the same amount of time but we win much smaller pots. We also go from a favorite vs 2 opponents to a dog vs one.