Two protected pots at 5/10 from today

[benve79]

first hand, this is a std isolation to clean our FD outs, right?
second hand, should I fold at some point?

Hand #1 Full Tilt Poker $5/$10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 4 players

CO: $1217.75
Hero (BTN): $1175.50
SB: $232.00
BB: $250.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero is BTN with 9 3 8 5
CO calls $10, Hero raises to $45, 1 fold, BB raises to $150, CO calls $140, Hero calls $105

Flop: ($455.00) 3 4 6 (3 players)
BB bets $100 all in, CO calls $100, Hero raises to $855



Hand #2 Full Tilt Poker $5/$10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players

SB: $260.50
Hero (BB): $2271.00
UTG: $1250.00
CO: $600.00
BTN: $1000.00

CO posts a big blind ($10)

Pre Flop: ($25.00) Hero is BB with 6 6 T A
UTG calls $10, CO raises to $45, BTN calls $45, 1 fold, Hero calls $35, UTG calls $35

Flop: ($185.00) 5 6 7 (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets $185, BTN folds, Hero calls $185, UTG calls $185

Turn: ($740.00) 4 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets $370 all in, Hero calls $370, UTG calls $370

River: ($1850.00) 4 (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero bets $650 and puts UTG allin

[grizy123]

1. no. because even if CO believes you he still should call (even wit naked NFD).
2. Folding turn is the prudent move.

[IcarusJam]

Hand 2 seems bad, i probably muck flop

[Patonius2000]

Hand 1 is fine, hand two not wild on pf and turn is and ez fold.

[benve79]

ok guys, thanks, pretty convinced ive been a spewy calling station in hand 2, obviously UTG had 77.

in hand 1 im not targeting the NFD, but non nut flush draws higher than mine. there a 36 FDs CO can have:
8 NFDs
22 non nut FDs higher than mine
6 FDs lower than mine

results: CO folded, and i lost the hand :-)

[sauce123]

i dont get why we think co has a fd particularly often. i would be all about timing in this spot usually as most non-nosebleed players and all multitablers are going to give off a timing tell in this spot. anytime co tanks for between 1-5 seconds im jamming over, anytime he snap calls im kinda cautious, anytime he super long tank calls im kinda cautious

[benve79]

Originally Posted by sauce123

i dont get why we think co has a fd particularly often. i would be all about timing in this spot usually as most non-nosebleed players and all multitablers are going to give off a timing tell in this spot. anytime co tanks for between 1-5 seconds im jamming over, anytime he snap calls im kinda cautious, anytime he super long tank calls im kinda cautious

yeah timing tell was as you say, about 2 sec, this was important and was one of the factors telling me he had a marginal hand, i think.

i should have been more precise: im isolating expecting him to call-fold with 1 pair hands, OESD, gutters, and naked non nut flush draws. FDs should be a decent %, given flop is low.

[SEABEAST]

hand 1 can never really be bad, hand 2 is the exact kind of mess i get myself into too

[lwrunner103]

Hand 2 is fine although 555 would be a fold either on flop or turn. Also pf is meh but ok.