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Old 03-07-2008, 11:12 AM
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Thanks for these very informative responses. I appreciate them.

I felt my game went to better direction after my first post but soon I found myself at -30 buy ins loser on NL400 level. I played way too long sessions trying to beat cold deck opening more tables that I could handle and also taking shots to NL600. After those insane two days I dropped down to NL200 and tried to learn -3 buy ins stop loss strategy.
Firstly, I have to admit how hard it's to keep stop loss plan but I have managed to do that in some level. I just feel that I can't do this if I keep taking -6-15 buy ins sessions just because of frustration.
I still feel great frustration sometimes and I feel that "mental stamina" has decreased and I just get tired sooner that before. Sometimes I just play my A-game and sometimes I get into tilt mode after half an hour. Still, I guess things are going to better direction now, tho I had almost 100k hands break even and first losing month in my 2 years career. I am heading to two weeks full time vacation soon and overally tried to play shorter sessions in NL200 (more efficient) even some sessions have still went longer than intended. The best thing NL200 has given me is self-confidence which I have got back. Not completely but something. I guess it might be possible that I had some kinda burn out because I have played SO long time without breaks. At least I felt myself stressed.

I look forward to spring (which will be very relaxing after cold and dark winter in Finland) and hope I can climb back to NL400 and handle my emotions there as well I did in NL200. Somehow it's way much harder to handle itself in bigger limits. Maybe it's other players, maybe it's amount of money. I have also bought two books concerning my issues: Your Worst Poker Enemy by Schoonmaker and The Poker Mindset by Taylor and Hilger. Have you read those books and did you like?

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Old 03-07-2008, 09:23 PM
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rivfader i like what you said
ive just started using my tvo so i always have new episodes of shows i like to keep me distracted
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Old 03-08-2008, 12:14 PM
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i know what you mean. I lost 20k in February just by burning money. Seems like every time I played 5-10 and got a beat, I just went berserk. whereas at 3-6 i don't care and move on. i cashed out everything but 20k so I just can't play any 5-10 BRM-wise.
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Old 03-13-2008, 10:55 AM
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Elements of Poker by Tommy Angelo has a lot of useful information regarding working toward controlling tilt issues.

One of the things he writes about is how controlling tilt (or reducing the amount of time you play your C game, as he puts it) is a skill that needs to be worked on over time. You are not going to snap your fingers and suddenly be tilt free. But if you keep working at improving your mental discipline, over time you will get much better at it.
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Old 03-14-2008, 01:49 AM
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OP, this has probably been stressed enough in the general online poker community...well...in the general poker community but moreso online I would say, and that is the importance of a balanced life. Moreso online I say, because well, you're in front of a screen, hours on end, not moving, not socializing, barely any sensations besides really, really annoying beeps (thank you party), and listening to yourself think a mile a minute about the hand and everything else going on in your life.

The fact that you have the time to sit there, and do nothing but think about and play online poker to get back losses etc when you're on "tilt" is both cause and effect. I've really, really realized that achieving overall success in this profession is so entirely dependant on what type of person you are...what type of life it takes for you to be successful at it and everything that goes along with it is purely a function of your emotional tendencies. The life you need to live to encounter more of the successes and less of the failures and negatives that can come with it, will vary considerably from one person to the next.

You know yourself, you know what you can handle/can't. You know how you feel when, after how long, the precursors etc etc. The way you described your original post, it was very much an addict venting about his vertigo, sorry to say. Seperate yourself from this and look at yourself through the 3rd person. Really sit down, jot down the times when you do great, the times that you don't, and all the factors surrounding both. Create a life situation for yourself that maximizes the first and limits the second.

This will definately bring about a huge amount of change. Of course, it's not a substitute for working on yourself as well to also lessen your susceptibility and reactions to this form of "tilting". I really am not trying to turn this into some Zig Ziglar pseudo-propagandish "be the best you" hogwash. I know where you're coming from, I'm sure most online poker players do. I've found from my experiences, that thinking about it all in this way, separating yourself and looking at both your poker situation and yourself in the 3rd person, and really analyzing what it'll take to merge them in the most efficient, positive, succesful way with the least potential for "tilt" is huge.

If you're in school, focus on studies and keep poker as a secondary with primary results. If you have a part time job or volunteer where you get to socialize more etc, sports, get those frontal lobes pumping so you don't simply fall prey to all that's subcortical, emotional, and controlling. Basically, don't think of poker as your life, there are too many other things to enjoy, fall asleep while thinking about/doing them/her *cough etc.

I guess to sum, "tilting" on the tables is very much a function of a "tiltful" existence. Getting too caught up in poker + innate emotional tendencies=getting caught up at the table. Spread your life out more, you lose a buyin or two, +ev or not, it simply can't effect you as much when your emotions, thoughts and time are spread out much thinner.

Good luck to you.
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Old 03-15-2008, 06:33 AM
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If you're in school, focus on studies and keep poker as a secondary with primary results. If you have a part time job or volunteer
I would like to tell that it might be very important to keep these things (school and work) in your life even playing poker might bring more money. I just finished my school two months ago and became "full-time player". I thought that I could raise my game to higher level if I just do this full-time. It was kinda harder than I though, after two weeks being a full time pro, punching a wall and screaming out curses after meaningless bad beat was not pretty. It was just imba frustration. While my school was pretty easy to manage it gave at least some balance. So, I guess it's +EV to keep school or job if you have still some time to play.
Now I am heading to Thailand as a vacation and seeking "stress-free" summerjob. Still going to start playing on NL400 level after vacation having solid bankroll again after NL200 grind.
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