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Old 07-15-2012, 06:43 PM
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Default 100NL Btn v SB Flop 2 pair

Hey all.
This hand was Btn v Sb (as the title suggests). I had been opening about 80% of Buttons and he had 3 bet twice in that situation over around 100 hands. He also just folded the BB vs my open too (not sure if that had much of a factor).

31/22/13.7 (small sample)- I'm not sure what to think of him, he got his stack from a crazy 3way 4bet pot pre all in on the flop of 9h3h5h with AA v KK v JJ (no one had a heart)

The notes I have on the player were:

" (slowplayed set on flop in multi-way pot) cbets a lot
Flat called a cbet with middle set with 1 player left to act behind on Js8s4x. Other player calls. Bet when checked to on 5x turn (19.5 into 33). Called.
Did not bet when checked to when 7s came on river.

Donked flop and bet turn with 33 on 2s4 6s 7s. Shut down on river"


http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1824605
(Sorry, I couldn't get the Leggo converter to work today and couldn't hide what I did)

Now that you have graciously made it this far- here are my thoughts..

PRE: He can have a lot of suited aces, pocket pairs, suited connectors and most suited Broadways and most Broadways. I say most because I think that he would 3bet AJs+ and AQo+.

FLOP: Flopped set- I lowered the odds of it this time (but not ruled out) I thought that if he decided to fast play it and I have raised that he would 3bet the flop and try and get it in. There are also less combinations 7's and 9's.
He could have QT-QK, and combination of 8Ts and JT and AXs. Maybe 97s?
Small pocket pairs that he decided to try and win here and now. I thought they would fold to the raise though.
When he calls, I strongly think that he has a draw of some description.

TURN: The turn is pretty average for me- It counterfeits and my top 2. I check because I am now losing to any other Q and don't know if I am betting for value/protection or as a bluff. This makes it less likely that he has 99 because really.. Who makes Quads?

RIVER: JT gets there and KQ which was already beating me on the turn is good. The flush draw bricks as does T8. I chop with QT & QJ. I lost to Full houses and KJ and KT of spades.

Sorry for my rant.
Any help would be great.
Thanks.

Last edited by SamuelSpades : 07-15-2012 at 06:50 PM.
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:51 AM
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Default Re: 100NL Btn v SB Flop 2 pair

I'd lean towards folding the river. I think you are beat here too often assuming that he will get A high flushdraws in on the flop. The only hand you beat is T8s and he is probably shoving T8ss on the flop so there are only 3 combos. Given the note with the donkbet of 33 I think he could also have 9x so I think folding the river is best. Other streets are fine
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Old 07-16-2012, 03:06 PM
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Default Re: 100NL Btn v SB Flop 2 pair

Thanks, mate. Looking back, I think folding the river is also the best play.
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Old 07-16-2012, 05:53 PM
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You don't need to use the converter anymore. You can just select the ''2+2'' in HM and paste that directly when you want to post a hand.
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:36 AM
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river is an easy call how does he ever have anything?
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Old 07-19-2012, 07:11 PM
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Default Re: 100NL Btn v SB Flop 2 pair

am i crazy for wanting to bet the turn? Like you said he has so many draws.. if i took your line i am likely paying off the river. I am not really crazy about the pf raise either..
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Old 07-21-2012, 02:58 PM
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Default Re: 100NL Btn v SB Flop 2 pair

I don't mind the open pre. I wasn't getting played back at or called pre. So I am looking to take it down more often than not.
I would have tightened up if they were. Looking back, I should have started opening for less on the btn- either 2.5 or 2 with the same range and evaluate whether or not this changes their reactions to me.
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