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09-02-2010, 05:12 PM
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Soldier
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100nl get c/r as expected, now to the turn
I'm not sure about the turn play here but flop play may be debatable as well.
I had been battling back and forth with the villain and was getting the better of him when this hand came up.
I bet the flop fully expecting a c/r and called. I had 300 hands on him and had c/r the flop 25%.
Is there any merit in doing anything than calling the flop?
On the turn I pair up and shove, is call and call non H rivers more optimal or is trapping his FD+overs that are bet/calling the turn more profitable?
I also think he folds some % of the time too
IPoker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 3 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
SB: $107.75
BB: $101
Hero (BTN): $201.05
Pre-Flop: 5  7  dealt to Hero (BTN)
Hero raises to $3, SB folds, BB calls $2
Flop: ($6.50) 6  3  8  (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB raises to $14, Hero calls $9
Turn: ($34.50) 5  (2 Players)
BB bets $25, Hero raises to $184.05 and is All-In,
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09-02-2010, 05:18 PM
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Godfather
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Re: 100nl get c/r as expected, now to the turn
If you are fully expecting a c/r on the flop, why haven't you planned for this?
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09-02-2010, 05:31 PM
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Soldier
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Re: 100nl get c/r as expected, now to the turn
Well, my plan was to call any 4 or 9 and shove if I hit a pair but I'm not sure if this is optimal.
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09-02-2010, 06:03 PM
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Video Producer / Poker Coach
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Re: 100nl get c/r as expected, now to the turn
doubt he bet/calls worse on the turn like ever, which makes a turn jam pretty bad. i prob call/call non heart rivers against this guy
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09-02-2010, 06:43 PM
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Godfather
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Re: 100nl get c/r as expected, now to the turn
Yeah agree with above, the turn jam is pretty bad considering he is hardly ever bet/calling worse.
Because of his high c/r % on the flop, you really should be adjusting on flops like this with the hand you have. There may be some merit to checking back on the flop maybe?
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09-02-2010, 07:08 PM
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Soldier
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Re: 100nl get c/r as expected, now to the turn
Do we think villain bet folds AThh etc on the turn? Ie overs and a FD
And yep, there is an adjustment to be made vs villain but I don't think I should be checking back 7h. Maybe AJ or 2nd pair but I think betting w the oesd and no showdown value is ok here
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09-02-2010, 07:22 PM
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Godfather
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Re: 100nl get c/r as expected, now to the turn
^^ That's reasonable, but if we are betting, what is our plan vs the "likely" c/r? Because we do have no showdown value, and there is also a flushdraw out so even if we hit we are likely worried of being outdrawn or him at least having possible redraws?
I think when you bet/call on this type of board things get a bit confusing (like they are here), which is why there may still be merit to checking back vs this type of oponent specifically.
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09-02-2010, 08:07 PM
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Capo
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Re: 100nl get c/r as expected, now to the turn
fps
bad card for him to continue bluffing or semibluffing, yet he still bets it. When he ch-raises this flop he reps polorized range and there is no need to rebluff a polorized range since he folds out air and never folds his value ch-raising hands
fold flop btw
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09-02-2010, 08:12 PM
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Video Producer / Poker Coach
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Re: 100nl get c/r as expected, now to the turn
"fold flop btw"
wtffffff
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09-02-2010, 08:51 PM
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Capo
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Re: 100nl get c/r as expected, now to the turn
I wouldn't put too much stock into 300 hands and 25% c/r, that could be like 2/8 times he's c/r or something, so wouldn't worry too much about that.
It's a decent flop to check back though b/c these are boards where people attack and you obviously don't wanna 3bai. Also, by checking back when you hit your straight your hand is so underrepped/sneaky.
As played I don't like shoving turn, I'd probably call and play some poker on the river.
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