$100NL QQ 3bet pot

[btimm]

I talked to several players and got some interesting responses and just wanted to see what other people thought about what the correct play is with this hand. Villain is 19/9/3 over 2,300 hands, most of which were datamined, so reads are limited. I apologize for the HH format, but I am struggling to find a way to import AP HHs.

UTG $53.40
CO $63.50
BTN $201.20
SB $252.05
Hero $126.70

Dealt to Hero: QsQd

Preflop:
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, SB raises to $4, Hero raises to $14, UTG folds, SB calls $10

Flop: [5s 2h 10c]
Pot: $29
SB checks, Hero bets $17, SB calls $17

Turn: [5s 2h 10c Js]
Pot: $63
SB checks, Hero checks

River: [5s 2h 10c Js 8s]
Pot: $63
SB bets $35, Hero ???


My question to all of you is what is your line on the turn and then on the river and why do you make that play?

[Fuzzy Logic]

I would bet the turn to charge draws but if I get raised I am mucking pretty quickly. If he leads river after that scenario, bleh......then fold

[ladymuck]

At first I would say bet the turn also, but after thinking a little more about it, if the villain is raising from the SB and then flatting a 3bet pf I'm not really concerned about charging draws on the turn. My concern here is the 2 hands he might flat call a 3bet with pf have both made a set by the turn. With a pfr of 9 I'd say his range is not much wider than TT+, and AK. By the turn you are behind TT+ (excluding QQ as unlikely), and only ahead of AK (and I'm not sure this nitty player floats the flop w/ AK). Would like to know what other players think about the turn here.

[Macio]

i think your bet sizing is not right. I would bet more on the flop, your bet looks weak. Turn check is meh ... i am not sure why you check behind. Once you check he can bet there with anything.

The way you played it its an easy call for me....

I would bet more, i know hes SB raise is strong but if you think he only does it with AA KK AK then just flat his reraise to keep the pot small.

I think you have the best flop you could ask for in 3bet pot so you have to go with it ....

[cityburke]

Assuming your image is relatively solid I think your turn play is optimal against what is probably a pretty nitty range of underpairs and sets and the occasional Tx hand/AK float. I don't even know how the term protecting against draws can be applied to this hand at all being that it's such a dry flop.

Once again even though your hand looks like air (AK/AQ) it's pretty tough for him to be bluffing air without some really sick undercard float oop on the flop. I think he checks down nearly all 1 pair hands e.g. 99, 77, Tx on the river. That being said I think it's I fold. I probably call nearly everytime tho unless I'm playing my A game.

[btimm]

I don't mind my bet sizing on the flop, it could be a tiny bit more, maybe up to $19, but about 60% of pot seems pretty standard in 3bet pots imo. The reason I checked the turn is because I did not think I would be getting value from lesser hands and I certainly was not getting better hands to fold, so I see no point in betting. My reasoning is obviously villain dependent and against other players, I might be happy to stack off on the flop or turn, but this guy plays so straight forward and is not getting tricky especially in 3bet pots and OOP. Thanks for the replies everyone!

[Macio]

Originally Posted by btimm

IThe reason I checked the turn is because I did not think I would be getting value from lesser hands and I certainly was not getting better hands to fold, so I see no point in betting.

I think you can get value from some pairs AK etc .. but if you think he will not call with worse then fair play. If that was your plan then you have to call the river cose you showed weaknes and he will bet there with any pair.

Originally Posted by btimm

I might be happy to stack off on the flop or turn, but this guy plays so straight forward and is not getting tricky especially in 3bet pots and OOP.

If he is strightforward would he not reraise your flop bet with AA or KK ? I can't see any strightfoward player just flatting check/calling any of the two.

Have you called and what he showed up with ?

[Thompz]

If you called then I like it.

My first reaction was to bet the turn but thinking about it more I like the check more

[stevesmells]

i feel if you check the turn you HAVE to call the river bet in 99% of the cases, but this 19/9/3... hmmm I dont usually add advice maybe due to lack of experience etc. but this is a very odd hand just due to the fact he called your 3bet OOP (so i feel AK here is not in question alot...) AND raised from the SB which usually with a limper means he has at least a decent hand. I feel he calls the flop here alot if he is calling a your3bet preflop since its so dry (which he obv did)... but I really think he would c/c any pair here on the river... so polarized big hand or air, but what would he have that falls under the air catagory with a SB raise and call of 3bet i dont know

looking at it originally i was like, wow obvious call, really thinking about it, im not too sure

[Fuzzy Logic]

Originally Posted by Thompz

If you called then I like it.

My first reaction was to bet the turn but thinking about it more I like the check more

Yeah I like this line too after thinking about it.