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Originally Posted by btimm
I don't mind my bet sizing on the flop, it could be a tiny bit more, maybe up to $19, but about 60% of pot seems pretty standard in 3bet pots imo.
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I completely disagree. The reason that this is a tough spot to begin with is because your flop bet is way to small. You bet $17 into $29, thats only 58% of the pot!!
For starters this line of though bothers me most "but about 60% of pot seems pretty standard in 3bet pots imo" IMO there is no "standard" bet size for betting the flop in 3bet pots, I think any cbet in a 3bet pot is dependent on several factors. The most important of these is stacksizes vs the size of the pot, a term called SPR for stack to pot ratio. In this situation the size of your flop bet effectivly made your stacks 1.5x the size of the pot, which happpens to be an awkward SPR to play. Persoanlly I like a bet here of 24-27, which does two important things. The first is that this bet puts more pressure on him, looks stronger and makes it way harder for him to float you. The second is that it sets up your next bet to be a shove of just slightly more than the pot, a bet that looks really bluffy and is often looked up surprising lite. However, this does not mean I advocate shoving the turn in this particalar spot. I like the ch behind on the turn here, but if you had bet more on the flop the river would be much easier to play, whether he bets like he did or checks to you making you decide to value bet or not. It's just nice to have the additional weapon of being able to shove the turn when it bricks off basically for value.
When you say "about 60% of pot seems pretty standard in 3bet pots imo" I think you have this concept flawed. The concept applies to situations where you pretty much hold complete air or a hand close to the nuts. Its true that if you hold air here a 60% pot cbet should be enough to make your oponent fold if he missed, so betting more is just a waste. Its also true that its prob the most optimal way to get value out of the nuts if your opponent has some second best hand, that may improve later in the hand but not enough to beat you. If you have some sort of medium strenth hand I think its most important to tailor you bet size in a way lets you to better control the action on later streets.
* I am aware that this ^^ line of thought may be exploited if you play against the same people over time. If thats the case, balancing rather than polorizing your range in your oponents eyes may become more important than sizing your bets to manipulate the stack to pot ratio.
