First, yes I meant merging rather than balancing the range, if you are already playing air and the nuts that way I suppose it would already be balanced.
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Logic
And you advocate betting more with marginal hands than air and nut hands? Making it way harder for him to float?
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I don't advocate betting more with marginal hands in 3bet pots as a general rule, what I am adovocating is tailoring you bet sizing in such a way that the stacks arn't such an awkward size in relation to the pot to play on later streets. In some cases this might even mean betting amounts smaller than 1/2 pot. In this paticular case it meant betting closer to 85% pot on the flop. Also, it depends how marginal the hand actually is.. I realize that QQ is very vulernable in this spot and is marginal given the situation, but its still an overpair. I'm not advocating betting near full pot every time you flop 2nd pair in a 3bet pot or anything.
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Logic
Making it way harder for him to float? Villain should be somewhat retarded to begin floating against (I assume) a solid player when OOP, so yeah, if he wants to float then please let him, why would we look to discourage that?
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Yes he may be retarded to float us oop here, but people make retarded plays all the time. The reason him floating us in this spot is so bad is because:
-our 55%pot flop cbet doesn't really define our hand in his eyes, he's already put a chunk of cash in the pot and this bet looks weak, since he's somewhat psychologically commited to the pot (not pot comitted $$ wise obv) he may try something crazy. For example he may decide were weak and take a stab by leading into us on the turn. If he does this its clearly a very difficult spot, as we can't really just ship it over his lead and if we call we basically turn our hand face up and may get bluffed on the river. Because of the stack sizes and the medium strenth of our hand were creating a situaion where he can use implied threat against us on the turn, or straight bluff us on the river and we can't do anything about it.
-Also everyone agrees that as played checking behind the turn here is correct. So if he does float with AK here or anything for that matter, he basically gets to see both the turn and river for calling the great price of approx 3 to 1 ( I stoved it and with AK this is actually an even money call) The 55% cbet with the intention of checking the turn behind actually prices AK into the call.
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Logic
so yeah, if he wants to float then please let him, why would we look to discourage that? And those hands he continues with are likely crushing us so we lose more when behind and win the same when ahead?
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^^ I think you contradict yourself here, If hes continuing with only hands that beat us he would be trapping us not floating us. I disagree that he only floats with hands that crush us, I think alot of nitty type players at 100NL peel here with AK, or once in a while AJ and TT. I know thats very debatable but if they are bad enough to call a 3 bet oop with those hands they are definitly not folding to a half pot cbet on a J high board.
Also, for arguments sake if most of his continuing range does infact crush us then yes we do lose a few dollars more on the flop by making a larger bet. However, those few dollars let us more clearly define the situaion, which in turn may allow us to make more optimal decisions later in the hand when much more money is at steak.
