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Old 09-07-2010, 10:16 PM
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Default 100pl line check

villan is 25/15 over 560 hands, fold to 3bet 8%.
notes:
defends 3b ip utg 99 calls cbet 752cc, check bk Qo To
flats 4b ip, fold 2 cbet J86r
defends 3b oop KJdd, c/r calls jam 953dd

SB 18/14 over 10k datamined hands, no reads.

i would assume villan bets all fdraws on the flop apart from maybe A4dd, apart from that all i can see that beats me is QT, and TT, possible QQ, but theres only 1 combo.

on the flop at the time i went for kinda pot control/ trying to get the villan to bluff. i feel i have a very strong hand but when i just bet call the flop i get it in vs many better hands, or flip vs draw. is my flop line ok, or am i just giving opponent free card needlesly?

I think he bets too many of his value range on the flop, to fold to a turn jam, but im not sure.
my line ok?

Full Tilt, $0.50/$1 PL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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SB: $143.35
Hero (BB): $115.80
UTG: $103.15
CO: $171.10
BTN: $168.75

Pre-Flop: Q K dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG raises to $3.50, 2 folds, SB calls $3, Hero raises to $14, UTG calls $10.50, SB calls $10.50

Flop: ($42) 5 Q 4 (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: ($42) T (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $24, UTG raises to $89.15 and is All-In, SB folds, Hero calls all in
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Old 09-07-2010, 10:31 PM
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Default Re: 100pl line check

There's no pot control here bet flop shove any turn, I prefer AQ instead of KQ here. The preflop play is questionable, call and fold are options as well, not sure if squeeze is the optimal play vs a guy that opens less than 15% from utg.
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Old 09-08-2010, 12:04 AM
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Default Re: 100pl line check

I like the squeeze depending on villain's positional opening stat for UTG. I think you could just flat without that info. If you are going to call an all in raise on the turn, why not just bet the flop?
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Old 09-08-2010, 03:10 AM
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Default Re: 100pl line check

Ya I think just betting the flop just makes your life easier here.

The turn is a puke fold imo. I'm not sure villain bets any of his FDs on the flop since he'd have to be b/c all of them. That is just a part of his value range too for his turn shove.

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Old 09-08-2010, 04:09 AM
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Default Re: 100pl line check

why do you decide to bet the turn if you don't bet the flop?
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Old 09-08-2010, 04:25 AM
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Default Re: 100pl line check

I very much agree that we should be betting the flop, simply because of the flush draw out there.

Also, the preflop play isn't bad, it's probably high variance and you're not going to get many folds.

Actually, by raising preflop and not following through with a bet on the flop really looks like a squeeze that went wrong and you have given up IMO. Because it got checked round, your supposed valuebet on the turn (when the Td is one of the worst cards in the deck for you) really looks like your just taking a stab because everyone checked the flop. This could cause the UTG to spazz shove with like AT or AdXx (based on his style).
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Old 09-09-2010, 05:04 AM
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Actually, by raising preflop and not following through with a bet on the flop really looks like a squeeze that went wrong and you have given up IMO. Because it got checked round, your supposed valuebet on the turn (when the Td is one of the worst cards in the deck for you) really looks like your just taking a stab because everyone checked the flop. This could cause the UTG to spazz shove with like AT or AdXx (based on his style).
meh, gettin ahead of yourself, I think. I'd just bet the flop since youll be cbetting here quite a bit with air, and then obv you have like the nutted portion of your range, so get value vs a ton of other stuff. Squeezing pf is totally fine.
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