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Old 09-04-2010, 08:51 AM
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Default 200nl : bottom set

$1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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Hero (BTN): $242.25
SB: $196.90
BB: $141.25
UTG: $217.15
MP: $1,506.10
CO: $506.02

Pre-Flop: 6 6 dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, MP raises to $6, CO folds, Hero calls $6, SB calls $5, BB calls $4

Flop: ($24) 6 Q 7 (4 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($24) K (4 Players)
SB bets $12, 2 folds, Hero raises to $40, SB raises to $144, Hero ?

Villain is 15/10/3.2
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Old 09-04-2010, 09:29 AM
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Default Re: 200nl : bottom set

Don't fold. Our hand is severely underrepped and we don't have stats/info on the opponent.

However, I think the flop is a bet.
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Old 09-04-2010, 09:47 AM
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Don't fold. Our hand is severely underrepped and we don't have stats/info on the opponent.

However, I think the flop is a bet.
I know, I just wanted to get tricky because one guy was terri-bad and I was sure he'd bet turn if he sensed weakness , and then I could raise, and get him to call anyways. Plus the board was non-scary and I'd hope someone would bet some kind of draw on the next card.
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Old 09-04-2010, 12:22 PM
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i would jam it all in here, i don`t think this guy will follow up with his bluffs for ~1/2p bet on missed rivers. Don`t really think we can fold here as he definitely can play KQ, 67s, 9d8d type hands like that, if we are slightly deeper i thnik we might consider folding vs THIS guy
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Old 09-04-2010, 12:40 PM
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Default Re: 200nl : bottom set

easy stackoff. he prob just puts you on KJ or diamonds or air with this line. you beat his value range easily too
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Old 09-04-2010, 02:07 PM
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checking the flop last to act is extremely terrible.

and yeah easy stack off for all reasons stated above
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Old 09-04-2010, 02:49 PM
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checking the flop last to act is extremely terrible.

and yeah easy stack off for all reasons stated above
I think bolded is not true. PFR rarely has a hand here, SB is tight PF thus won't hit this board often, SB or BB sometimes lead a Q on fflop 4 way, and BB's range is extremely wide and weak in general. THus it's a good spot to bluff this flop even 4-way becuase you get folds I would guess 60% of the time. Our hand is not vulnerable to free cards, we have position and can build the pot later, give them a chance to hit a backdoor draw or pair they can put money in, we always have the redraw in case they hit a gutter or soemthing . I think checking here is ok.
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Old 09-04-2010, 02:52 PM
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I think bolded is not true. PFR rarely has a hand here, SB is tight PF thus won't hit this board often, SB or BB sometimes lead a Q on fflop 4 way, and BB's range is extremely wide and weak in general. THus it's a good spot to bluff this flop even 4-way becuase you get folds I would guess 60% of the time. Our hand is not vulnerable to free cards, we have position and can build the pot later, give them a chance to hit a backdoor draw or pair they can put money in, we always have the redraw in case they hit a gutter or soemthing . I think checking here is ok.
exactly my thought process
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Old 09-04-2010, 02:59 PM
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I wouldn't give free cards here, the bad player might hit a straight, somebody with 88,99,TT might hit a bigger set, betting the flop here when last to act is way better than giving 3 players a free card imo.
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Old 09-04-2010, 03:03 PM
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I wouldn't give free cards here, the bad player might hit a straight, somebody with 88,99,TT might hit a bigger set, betting the flop here when last to act is way better than giving 3 players a free card imo.
agree to that as well...since there is not 1 , not 2 , but 3 players opposite us, a bet would be good too...but the only reason i checked back is because i was pretty sure of the PFR/SB folding if i'd bet
and since the fishy BB usually leads out with all his draws etc, he probably hit nothing at all too.....yes, the turn could give them bigger sets etc. but i was willing to take that little bit of risk only to try and stack off BB with all his drawy hands by raising his turn-lead by 7x or so, which he never folds to..lol
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