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Old 05-24-2012, 02:50 PM
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Villain is playing 23/17 over large sample. We don't have much history postflop but we 3bet each other a decent amount pre. Postflop, he raises flops 16% and bets turn 40%, river 30% so less aggro on the river by a decent amount.

He sees me as a 22/18 w/ 66% fold to 3bet. I probably fold rivers a bit more than most regs.


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Stacks:
Hero (UTG) ($312.16)
UTG+1 ($213.96)
CO ($377.08)
BTN ($135.27)
SB ($210.42)
BB ($209)

Pre-Flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is UTG J J
Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, CO calls $6, BTN calls $6, 1 fold, BB calls $4

Flop: 4 2 2 ($25, 4 players)
BB bets $14, Hero calls $14, CO raises to $36, 1 fold, BB folds, Hero calls $22

Turn: 5 ($111, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $64, Hero calls $64

River: 2 ($239, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $210, Hero ???


On the flop, I have a tough time believing that he has much that beats me here since theres a good chance he 3bets AA/KK pre and doesnt flat much 2x given positions. He could have 44 but I thought he might flat to keep BB in the pot. So I'm not entirely sure what his range can be made up of here.

On the turn and river, it starting to seem unlikely like he's going to be bluffing those cards but I'm not sure if I should be folding given the weird flop play or which street I should assume I have to stop calling on. I also don't think he'd jam like 88 here since he probably has to assume I'm still likely to have AA-JJ in my range. Thoughts?
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Old 05-25-2012, 08:18 AM
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Default Re: 200NL Zoom 6max: Overpair multiway

just fold flop
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Old 05-25-2012, 05:13 PM
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Default Re: 200NL Zoom 6max: Overpair multiway

The river is just a fold. No one is bluffing here. You are still uncapped and probably have a strong overpair. More than likely he just flatted KK or AA pre trying to keep the BB in who I assume is a fish for donking this flop.

You can make an argument for getting out cheaply and just folding flop. Even though villain reps close to nothing I think he just flats fds in this spot always probably and I find it unlikely he bluff raises this size? As played though, I think its pretty standard and the river is just a shrug/fold.

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Old 06-01-2012, 10:10 PM
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Default Re: 200NL Zoom 6max: Overpair multiway

His raise cbet stat is not applicable to this situation IMO because of it being multiway and so dry. I just can't see CO perceiving himself to have any fold equity, I don't imagine him to do this with worse for value, so I probably just fold flop. If it happens again sooner, maybe I get more suspicious.

If he was taking a stab bluffraising the flop for whatever reason, I don't think he bets again on this turn, you look like you have an overpair and I doubt he's trying to get you to fold then in an unnecessary spot that could be very risky of a play for him to make when he doesn't really need to, so if I were to peel the flop I'd fold turn expecting him to play face up.

Althoughm if you don't fold flop or turn, definitely fold the river.
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Old 06-05-2012, 04:25 PM
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Default Re: 200NL Zoom 6max: Overpair multiway

I like calling flop folding turn. His flop raise could easily be a weaker pair and occasionally some weird bluff, but I think once you call he'll give up a lot not only with his bluffs but check his 77 type hands as your range for bet/calling is pretty strong.
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Old 06-08-2012, 01:43 PM
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Default Re: 200NL Zoom 6max: Overpair multiway

call flop fold turn is fine especially on this turn he s gonna always give up, ur range is made out of all overpairs here.there's an argument for folding flop since u call a donkbet with 2 players behind , so its not like can really have any floats here and there could be an argument made for folding some small pps right away to the donkbet imo, which makes ur range even stronger.
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