AQ bvb against unknown.

[klamsauce]

Villain is complete unknown. Not a fish from what I can tell, but I have 0 reads and no real understanding of how he plays at all. 22/17/7.5 over 30 hands.

I don't see anything I can do but c/c down, but maybe I should fold the turn? The turn brings a million draws...thoughts. Stack sizes are disgusting on the river given he has a half pot sized bet left, so basically my commitment decision is on the turn and I feel like if I am going with the hand, c/c is the best way to do it.

Against a more well-defined aggressive reg who I understand a bit of how he plays, what his 3b range is, etc, I like this line a lot, but against a complete unknown is where I really get lost here.

Poker Stars $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $158.70
Hero (SB): $113.50
BB: $100.00
UTG: $111.65
MP: $100.00
CO: $107.60

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with Q A
4 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, BB raises to $10, Hero calls $6.50

Flop: ($20.00) K A 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $13.00, Hero calls $13

Turn: ($46.00) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $27.00, Hero calls $27

River: ($100.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $50.00, Hero calls $50

[mythrilfox]

Looks good to me.

[lancelott_]

a lot of regs don`t 3B AT/AJ pre (or at least if they do, they won`t fire 3 streets for value but PC at some point) even BvB w/o reads or histsory, so you`re essentially bluffcathing at this point. i dkn about the river and his sizing - looks like a vbet to me, but if you will call this preflop and he is somewhat aggressive i guess you can`t fold here, you hand looks like KQ or AT or something that can`t call 3rd

[klamsauce]

Originally Posted by lancelott_

a lot of regs don`t 3B AT/AJ pre (or at least if they do, they won`t fire 3 streets for value but PC at some point) even BvB w/o reads or histsory, so you`re essentially bluffcathing at this point. i dkn about the river and his sizing - looks like a vbet to me, but if you will call this preflop and he is somewhat aggressive i guess you can`t fold here, you hand looks like KQ or AT or something that can`t call 3rd

Ya his river bet is just his remaining stack, which is why I said he bets so big on the turn that given what the river is going to look like, I need to make my decision on the turn essentially.

Why I posted this hand has a lot to do with villain being a complete unknown and me not being able to really make any assumptions about his 3betting range, barreling frequencies, etc.

[lancelott_]

i have no problems folding AQo BvB vs a 3B OOP w/o any reads, history or dynamics pre vs unknown. Just to avoid these spots where you have at best a marginal edge and no clue how often you can C/C flops w/o a pair, how often can you ch-raise which flops (you aren`t just playing Fitorfold here OOP are you?), and how profitable can i stack off really when i hit a pair..

[preflopjitters]

I would rather fold preflop than play this hand oop vs. someone who seems pretty aggro but hasn't given me a lot of other info.

Once you call pre, I think I like how you played it, though, because you are pretty much making the assumption, even by your call, that he has a fairly wide range pre and will play it aggressively for three streets. I also think it is unlikely he has a spade draw on the flop that got there on the river given the cards that are already out.

[klamsauce]

Originally Posted by preflopjitters

I would rather fold preflop than play this hand oop vs. someone who seems pretty aggro but hasn't given me a lot of other info.

Once you call pre, I think I like how you played it, though, because you are pretty much making the assumption, even by your call, that he has a fairly wide range pre and will play it aggressively for three streets. I also think it is unlikely he has a spade draw on the flop that got there on the river given the cards that are already out.

Ya like I had never seen him before and this was my first time opening his BB. The fact he 3b me right off the bat may just be a coincidence if he shows up w a monster, but I'd just rather make the assumption that he may just be a standard aggro tag or something, hence making AQ feel like the nuts in this spot.

[flaviusO]

I think raise/call flop is better IMO.

[Maximus13]

I like a c/r, given the board texture, and the fact that our c/r will look so full of shit, and he most likely has quite a few Axs, and Kxs hands in his range that he may bluff catch with. I think given the aggression level in todays games, c/r the flop will be the most +ev play here. By c/c 3 we are given him a chance to pot control the turn, and when we lead the river our hand is very face up. That being said...

To answer your original question, I'm not sure I can call the river, the spade is horrible card for us, he should be pcing, AT, AJ Axs Kxs QQ JJ and Spade draws. The only bluff he can really have is bd club draw. I think at best were chopping. I wouldn't expect a reg to just barrel of complete random air, on this board, knowing this flop smacks our range. So yeah I think its close, but I'm looking to fold here on the turn. I rarely have success bluff catching unkowns.

[harangutang]

i'd c/c flop and c/rai on turn with 50bb behind and 2 flush draws on the turn. Note he can definitely bet call worse Ax and combo draws on the turn. I don't expect him to bluff shove the river often with exactly 1/2 pot left and your hand is super likely to be Ax on the river so c/c turn doesn't add a lot of deception.