NL200 Zoom, JTs 3b pot oop

[reallygambling]

Villain is a really competent high stakes mtt player,past couple of days has been 4 tabling 200nl zoom,haven't seen him get out of line much but is definitely capable of putting pressure in any spot possible.
He's playing 22/17 with 5.2% btn 3b.
I thought folding pre was too weak especially this deep where we hit so many flops.
Flop I thought a flat was best.raise and barrel was the only other option but I thought he folds so little on the flop and he will call me down super super light as he knows I rep a very small value range.
turn i have no clue what's the best action,he bet $52 has $240 left and pot is $123
can i shove turn profitably?should i flat?and then what?should i just fold pre and go play with a random donk instead?
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$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 Players

Stacks:
UTG ($319.40) 160bb
reallygambling (UTG+1) ($461.84) 231bb
CO ($204.03) 102bb
BTN ($326.87) 163bb
SB ($207) 104bb
BB ($200) 100bb

Pre-Flop: ($3, 6 players) reallygambling is UTG+1 10 J
1 fold, reallygambling raises to $5, 1 fold, BTN raises to $16, 2 folds, reallygambling calls $11

Flop: 7 8 4 ($35, 2 players)
reallygambling checks, BTN bets $18, reallygambling calls $18

Turn: Q ($71, 2 players)
reallygambling checks, BTN bets $52, reallygambling ???

[c0gnAc]

I would raise flop and continue on alot of turns. Yes your valuerange is pretty small but you can represent diamonds very well and since you are 160bbs deep he will still have a hard time calling down with 1 pair on alot of runouts.
Also I would prefer a 4bet pre in these positions, you will have a hard time playing J high oop deepstacked vs a good player here and his 3betting range doesnt seem that wide. I would rather call if it was CO v BTN

[TheStudent]

Is folding pre flop an option?

[Zaza]

once u check call flop u gotta ch c tht turn as well, u dont rep anything by ch raising, unless u think hsi range is so superwide preflop and post here that he has enough air for u to get off. I would most definitely alw ch/r the flop, with these stacksizes u can have all sets and rep diamonds and prolly bluff a blank runout successfully. The last option obv depends on ur read on the guy, the less cally , basically the more std reggy he looks the more u can bluff here on blank runouts.

[reallygambling]

Originally Posted by Zaza

once u check call flop u gotta ch c tht turn as well, u dont rep anything by ch raising, unless u think hsi range is so superwide preflop and post here that he has enough air for u to get off. I would most definitely alw ch/r the flop, with these stacksizes u can have all sets and rep diamonds and prolly bluff a blank runout successfully. The last option obv depends on ur read on the guy, the less cally , basically the more std reggy he looks the more u can bluff here on blank runouts.

whats the plan on the river if i c-c turn?can i donk if we get there?
as i mentioned in op i thought a c-r would get zero credit given dynamics btw us.
can i ever c-f turn or is it too weak and too good a price?
stupid spot

[Zaza]

I mean it depends on what level he is, as far as 0 credit goes, since uve been out of line he probably should expect u to play be more value oriented here than as a bluff.U cannot fold here, and I dont think we should donk the river if he we hit our draw since its prolly gonna be another good bluffcard for em , and its hard for him to put us on backdoor spades or j10 in general. Also foldin is too weak , simply cos of our equity and implied odds.

[bigdog6391]

c/r flop doesn't rep much for value, but i still think it's best against most players. it basically puts him in the spot we currently found ourselves in. Since he will almost never b/3b flop, and can't really jam over a turn bet, when we c/r flop and bet turn we give ourselves a freeroll while buying a good amount of fold equity. if he calls turn, river will be a decision based on timing/recent history.

[TheStudent]

Originally Posted by TheStudent

Is folding pre flop an option?

???

[bigdog6391]

of course it's an option, it depends on what you think about his 3betting range. If he perceives you as cally vs 3bets he might 3b something like AJ for value expecting you to call alot...in this instance it might be best to just fold (or 4b). In my experience most players at this limit will have a more polarized 3betting range, and J10s will play pretty well against it (you won't make too many dominated pairs etc.

[Vitas23]

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