Raised cb in 3b pot.

[drjdevs]

Villain was 6 tabling i have 93 hands on him. 37/22 folds 80% to 3b. raises 9% from ep.

(Sorry dont know how to use hand converter)

http://weaktight.com/4773042

When he raises my cbet he has all sets, any 2pair, straight some FD but me having Ah blocks some FD in his range. Should my default play be snap fold and vs what villains should i be jamming?

[klink10k]

check back flop w/ ak vs. this dude, prob close fold vs. his c/r which makes betting kind of bad

[desire]

Originally Posted by klink-

check back flop w/ ak vs. this dude, prob close fold vs. his c/r which makes betting kind of bad

we are oop

fold now as played and even flop bet might be questionable, he is too tight and folds to too many 3bets so he basically always has a piece here

[c0gnAc]

I think with the Ah the flop cbet is okey. Definitely fold to a raise though!
I dont think shipping this hand in these positions vs any villain other than a complete maniac is going to be proftiable

[Timor]

The problem is that even though we have Ah, if he has a piece he's probably not folding very often because his range smacks this board. So then the question becomes whether or not the extra 2% equity of the backdoor flushdraw makes this a bet, and I think it doesn't.

All the scenario's where we 2nd barrel a turned flushdraw but whiff on the river (regardless whether or not we 3barrel and get called/get a fold) will, on average, be a negative outcome for us.

Let's not forget that any A is hardly a clean out on this board either.

EZ check/fold imo.

[c0gnAc]

I think people fold KQ/AQ here all the time vs 3 barrels when the 3rd heart comes in on the turn. Also alot of guys raise their good draws/sets on the flop which makes their calling range really 1 pair/float heavy.
That an A or K are not clean outs is true but I think your getting to showdown pretty frequently if you hit and have the best hand... People just arent turning AQ into a bluff when a K turns for example. You just have to be prepared to not autostackoff if you turn a pair

[Timor]

A 37/22 doesn't strike me as the type to fold TP at any point, especially because he seems to fold to 3bets a lot.

Fact remains that his range seems pretty strong and I think 3 barreling vs that range is a losing play. The fact that we have Ah doesn't change a lot in terms of fold equity (which is what should be the tipping point between cbetting or check/folding, bare equity/implieds are less relevant here I would say). If anything he might continue lighter on a heart turn because now we can have all the flushdraws in our range to barrel. If I have AQ in his spot and I get 3barreled on a heart turn and blank river I would be hard pressed to fold. Sets,KK-AA obv never folding. Also, you don't have a lot of implieds to get called by a lower flush on the river should you hit.

I agree that you should 3barrel if you're planning to cbet because you have the backdoor flushdraw, but that doesn't mean it's the optimal play.

Also, I agree that if he had a draw he would probably raise (there aren't a lot of draws in his range to begin with), but ruling out sets out of his flatting range is a big step in the dark IMO.

[grogheadflow]

Think we have to cbet,,,,,,,,, and after cbetting it's a mandatory triple on most board runouts. Just think of all those hands that call 2 fold river. As played easy flop fold, nothing good can happen from here on out, the 80% fold to 3bet should scare you immensely at this point.

Oh and VS a 9% (+ 80% fold to 3bet especially) opener we just can't 3bet this hand for value.............