aejones - $600 NL

[aejones]

Originally Posted by Zenzor

not a huge fan of your raise with a5 on the turn because of capped ranges. How do you respond if you reraises you there? I think it's a pretty good spot if you're villain.

this was the 8s7d5s board went check check and then he led the Ace turn

I can have two pair hands, it's not like stacks are good for him to just bet-jam on the turn. Also, I expected random 3-6 player that was playing me heads up when tables broke to just call with all of his pair + SD hands, which I thought were plentiful, and which I thought he would bet. As it turns out, he would probably also call with draws, given that he had the Ten and the Nine.

Capped ranges apply much more at the river. I can have as strong as top set here, and tons of two pair hands.

[desire]

any thoughts on "randomizing based on other players in the pot" ?

In my head, it's basically when you would raise a strong hand in order to build a pot and stack someone, but flat instead, so that you don't shut out other players.

for example we flat ATs OTB with 200bb stacks against UTG open and BB overcalls, it comes AT5 2tone and UTG bets - normally I would raise to get the stacks in but now I want BB to make a decision after me so I would flat ? Also do you think anything changes based on board texture ? like say its 653 2tone and its the same spot and we have 66 or something ?

[FlipFlop]

About A8.
If the stacks are deep enough to 4b as a bluff aren't small and medium aces acceptable hands to do that with?
Or do I give card removal too much importance?

[PatBateman]

Which "turn ch/r all in blows cock" article are you talking about?
I don't find it (stupid me...)

EDIT:
Ah found it--- there it is on the first page.... lol obv too late for me.

PS:
very nice video!

[shootermcgavin]

I think it is a good call. you obv blasted way too quickly. I dont think it was for the video, because he would look like a clown if he was wrong.

gregy is a legend

Originally Posted by aejones

The guy that calls with the A8 hand I did not give the time of day to because he was just trying to be a superstar in a video, that is not something that someone does who is trying to win money, clearly, and him being right for that 3% of the time that he's right (or that .04% of the time that he's very right) shouldn't warrant any comment. The 44 hand, for example, is infinitely more concrete of a read than his A8 play. Also, lol this guy four bet me with A8 suited.

!!!

[desire]

another question (IMPORTANT!) :

how to play draws (or strong hands) OOP in spots where stacks are too fucked up (usually in spots where it was like 3-way to the flop and 100bb to begin with or something gay like that) to either c/r flop big shove turn close or little above pot OR to c/r small flop bet turn small bet small riv <-- the latter blows pretty hard on a drawy board.

example : 100bb, we overcall J9cc in BB vs MP open and BTN flat, it comes Ac3c3x - he bets like 7.5bb into 10bb and BTN folds, c/r'ing is kind of strange, mostly because we are repping like A3s or quads with a huge part of our range being a FD and turns will be hard to play, c/c w/o SD value is gay because we are basically hoping that he chks turn back and gives us credit on brick rivers for Ax, but we will often get barreled off on the turn.

that example was on a weirdish board where we can't rep anything really, but even on boards where it's super coordinated and we flopped a draw that has no SD value (or a big hand, it doesn't matter), there are like no possible sizing options other than just leading (which it seems like is really the only viable option, but still kind of sucks because of how on certain boards we want to abuse good relative position, or we can't rep anything strong in the first place etc)

pretty long but an interesting post i think and a spot where i really really need an answer in, hope you can deliver !

[laurenman]

Originally Posted by aejones

Four betting A8 suited is stupid to begin with, 4-bet calling it is beyond retarded.

3/5 bet a raise from mp with 98o is more retarded.

[Shaitan]

this was real weak for aejones standards.

[aejones]

Originally Posted by desire

any thoughts on "randomizing based on other players in the pot" ?

In my head, it's basically when you would raise a strong hand in order to build a pot and stack someone, but flat instead, so that you don't shut out other players.

for example we flat ATs OTB with 200bb stacks against UTG open and BB overcalls, it comes AT5 2tone and UTG bets - normally I would raise to get the stacks in but now I want BB to make a decision after me so I would flat ? Also do you think anything changes based on board texture ? like say its 653 2tone and its the same spot and we have 66 or something ?

I mean, you should do this sometimes, based on who the players are you are trying to keep in and whatnot. If the person you are afraid of shutting out is a fish and is likely to call with a wider range than normal getting the wrong price, or if it is a regular who is likely to think you are weak based on your flat and will squeeze (postflop sq.) wider than normal, those are two situations that I can think of that would merit this more than normal. Also, the frequency that the preflop c-bettor is likely to barrel is important.

[aejones]

Originally Posted by desire

another question (IMPORTANT!) :

how to play draws (or strong hands) OOP in spots where stacks are too fucked up (usually in spots where it was like 3-way to the flop and 100bb to begin with or something gay like that) to either c/r flop big shove turn close or little above pot OR to c/r small flop bet turn small bet small riv <-- the latter blows pretty hard on a drawy board.

example : 100bb, we overcall J9cc in BB vs MP open and BTN flat, it comes Ac3c3x - he bets like 7.5bb into 10bb and BTN folds, c/r'ing is kind of strange, mostly because we are repping like A3s or quads with a huge part of our range being a FD and turns will be hard to play, c/c w/o SD value is gay because we are basically hoping that he chks turn back and gives us credit on brick rivers for Ax, but we will often get barreled off on the turn.

that example was on a weirdish board where we can't rep anything really, but even on boards where it's super coordinated and we flopped a draw that has no SD value (or a big hand, it doesn't matter), there are like no possible sizing options other than just leading (which it seems like is really the only viable option, but still kind of sucks because of how on certain boards we want to abuse good relative position, or we can't rep anything strong in the first place etc)

pretty long but an interesting post i think and a spot where i really really need an answer in, hope you can deliver !

A lot of the spots where you can't rep anything, a check call (check-check, lead river) line on the flop will represent a strong enough range that will not get barreled, and conveniently, the cards that make us our hand are the ones most likely to get barreled.

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