aejones ft. Ansky - $1,000 NL

[jcl87]

aejones: in relation to the 55 hand i agree c/c'ing and representing 99 has its problems as does c/r'ing. i think the problem if you flat and the turn comes as it did and you check to joeforte he's going to check back a lot even if he puts you on 99 since he figures he can only get one more street from you anyway. on the river you can get one more bet but never whole stacks.

but what do you think about c/c'ing the flop and then betting the turn into joe? he's almost certainly going to call the turn and probably the river (even though arguably your line is just as strong as c/r flop shove turn).

at least this way he may think that you think that he cbet air and r now trying to seize the initiative since he has easily can have air and the bb is probably weakish. he may also think ur trying to squeeze him out of the pot/get him to play more straightforward by leading into him while the bb remains in the pot.

i guess both of these r a bit of a stretch since u could do both on the flop, either by c/r'ing or leading into him. basically i cant really explain well why i think this turn line looks weaker to him but i just have a feeling it does

[playforfoodz]

sick vid...i cancelled my PSP too cos just ansky there and mostly in protest that ike left 2 weeks after i joined...ansky u know u dont belong there its an mtt site...come to leggo or DC!

couldn't agree with this more. ike and ansky ftw

[Kirkdiese]

Originally Posted by amarillotg

i've only been a member here for a little while but i've never gotten through more than 5 mins of a aejones vid including this one.

the constant unnecessary cursing is just such a turn off.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!

[aejones]

Originally Posted by desire

this was some pretty cool shit, if you guys weren't yelling at each-other half the time it'd would've been A+ (maybe it was my volume button that was broken though)

only one question : in the beginning of the vid, ansky c-bets 86ss on 642s and calls a c/r, i know this is a spot that can go either way and he briefly mentioned about getting c/c from like AhXx hands or something, is this something that is like standard or what? I've never seen anyone peel that light and I don't do it myself either and would consider it bad given how c/c on that board screams marginal strength and will get barreled a ton. Also I'm not really a fan of c-betting although I'd prob do it still some % but so many turn cards will suck (like everything that isn't a spade, six or an eight) and we will be playing a bloated pot and have to guess a ton etc. just seems that checking back is the nizzles and also lowers variance and lets us play turns and rivers way more easily.

really nice vid though, there wasnt much 3-betting IP content which kind of sucked but whatever

I was trying to tell him that I wouldn't c-bet it very often, if ever, and that he's nuts if he thinks he's getting called by A-high, but it didn't seem like he shared the same opinion.

[aejones]

Originally Posted by fearless

awesome, i quit PSP when ike left, cus there was only ansky left that i watched. great to hear from him again! if ansky can answer, you got cut off on the K862hhh hand where you had ThT. you were saying that sometimes it's ok that villain can put you on a very accurate narrow range..

aejones, on that K862hhh hand you said you would check back 100% as villain with Q8, wouldn't that just make your betting range Kx+ and draws and could be somewhat exploitable?
could one of you guys also answer if you think it's ok to sometimes check raise KQ (without a heart) there, dont remember the stack sizes, but say between 100-120bb?

i might play too much HU, but these are very common spots to cbet Q8 on K86hh and call a c/r profitable, also to get it in with KQ after c/ring K86. is it that much different in BTN vs BB 6max?

1. Even if it does make me exploitable, I don't care. I don't c-bet a high % so my value % doesn't have to be that high (and obviously includes good draws and strong top pairs + on that board). It becomes better to CR KQ there if your opponent can have second pair.

2. Yes, HU and btn v bb in 6m play a fair amount different. Not like two different languages, per se, but like a fairly unique to the region dialect that someone who speaks the same language may barely understand.

[aejones]

Originally Posted by matsvenjes

Nice video. Could you elaborate a bit more on the betsizing you would use in the 4bet pot(J7s hand)? You would use two ways of betting: (big flop bet + allin turn) OR (small flop, small turn + allin river). Why would you chose the one or the other ? Why is ansky his 'standard' bet on the flop not as good as your betsizing (yeah akward bet left on river, is this bad ?) ?

Originally Posted by desire

also i didn't quite understand how ansky could disagree about the betsizing stuff in 4b pot, for me it has become standard to have a plan regarding if i wana do bet flop shove turn or bet small on flop and turn to set up a river shove.

doing some medium like he did leaves him in a spot on riv where if he shoves like 900/3K he is clearly NEVER bluffing so villain will just have to know if he can be valueshoving worse and it's an easy fold otherwise, where as going for 3/4 pot on riv still leaves some room for a possible 3 barrel (as in it can be a bluff although it rarely will be anyway, esp. on that board) and going for the naked turn shove can often be some draws that we picked up along the way or something

Again, I think I explained the J7 hand pretty good in the video. It seems completely standard for me to start setting up my bet sizing on the flop, so I can anticipate (roughly) what is to come. I think he should have gone smaller-smaller-all in for 2/3 pot or so. or just gone 1/2, all in for 3/4 pot or so. Those two options are significantly better than what he did, I'm not sure if he agrees yet, or just doesn't think it's relevant, but bet sizing is a very important thing and I'm surprised that he neglected it here.

[aejones]

Originally Posted by jcl87

aejones: in relation to the 55 hand i agree c/c'ing and representing 99 has its problems as does c/r'ing. i think the problem if you flat and the turn comes as it did and you check to joeforte he's going to check back a lot even if he puts you on 99 since he figures he can only get one more street from you anyway. on the river you can get one more bet but never whole stacks.

but what do you think about c/c'ing the flop and then betting the turn into joe? he's almost certainly going to call the turn and probably the river (even though arguably your line is just as strong as c/r flop shove turn).

at least this way he may think that you think that he cbet air and r now trying to seize the initiative since he has easily can have air and the bb is probably weakish. he may also think ur trying to squeeze him out of the pot/get him to play more straightforward by leading into him while the bb remains in the pot.

i guess both of these r a bit of a stretch since u could do both on the flop, either by c/r'ing or leading into him. basically i cant really explain well why i think this turn line looks weaker to him but i just have a feeling it does

CC flop lead turn seems stronger to me. I think he might even get wigged out and fold the turn some small % of the time. If i did CC flop I'd just check it around twice and assume one of them would bet QQ+ eventually, and then I could go all in and hope they put me on a pair turned into bluff. Lately people have really been putting me on turning made hands into bluffs and hero calling my river raises, or 3-bet bluffing me on the river. It's possible that if I was playing vs those people, I would just want to get to the river and raise with the full house, but against most randoms, it seems favorable to keep your range wider and have it include semi bluffs by check raising the flop and jamming turn.

[aejones]

Originally Posted by ehammer

Ansky/Aejones

I just started playing deepstack 2/4 games and wondered 2 things after this video.

1- IN the pot where you called shove with A5 (JJ5 flop) even though villain over 3bet the flop, do you immediately assume that villain shouldnt have a jack there and 4 bet/call---or do you wait until you at least know the villain is capable of such re-bluffs on the flop etc. Reason i ask is because today i saw the same type hand come up 225bb deep and the villain was an unknown and sure enough he had Jx and was just incorrectly betsizing. So i ask myself if making this type betsizing read (without history knowledge of villain) and going with it light for 225 bb is good play (for me).

This is an extremely specific play to the reads and hand that was going on. I would not recommend going out of your way to incorporate getting it in with A high in this spot into your game, it's more a function of "it's a good spot to bluff raise, let's read and react to his 3-bet size and put him on a draw."

2. When 200bb deep and we 3 bet AK and are called by tenacious 3bet caller in position, and one who will call flop cbet with any piece or PP on low dry flop etc, what is your thinking on the turn when another brick falls? I run into many villains such as this and as long as there is no A K Q on board, they are very relectant to fold flop or turn and thus i wonder whether to simply wait for big pairs vs these players, or take the bet bet shove line vs them is better? Obviously i have to be careful there since i would have overs a ton more than overpairs.

I'm not sure if you're talking about something specific, but based on your comments I would just say: Be careful who you're 3-barrelling in 3-bet pots, some people will assume once they start calling, they have to keep calling, because their hand is face up. Be careful that you're not 3-barrelling into a set or something if the board is dry and does not change. Make sure you know who thinks that good barrel cards are scary and who thinks that good barrel cards are license for you to barrel more, and figure these things out by inferences from other hands or wtsd or w$@sd stats or something.

[samthefish]

best dual commentary video i've seen on any site. It's because you guys disagree and propose your counter arguments well. All that nitpicking @ every detail/option gives me a view from all sides. I've seen many dual commentary vids where the 2 players agree for the most part what the proper play is....and in those cases the 2nd person isnt really needed. 2 players with successful yet different styles = g00t. More 5 minute arguments over betsizing, check-back top pair/2nd pair etc. This is good stuff

[harangutang]

AEJones, thoughts on how you would play QQ from Paidinfull23's perspective in the hand where Ansky flopped a boat in the 3bet pot? Forte probably doesn't have much of a read on me but I've played with him some at 3/6 and 5/10, but usually not buying in deep. I'm not sure if Ansky knows who I am since he has only sweated me on another site, although at the time I assumed he knew. Forte 3 bets a lot, as Ansky pointed out. I start the hand with about 180bbs I believe.

I'm interested because I have a lot of 100bb experience at MSNL and very little at deep tables.