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Old 04-03-2012, 01:10 PM
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Default Beating Short Stackers Part 1

In part 1 of his series on how to beat short stackers Sonny talks about how to beat the short stackers who buy in for 30 big blinds.

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Old 04-03-2012, 02:49 PM
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Default Re: Beating Short Stackers Part 1

Fantastic! I have no clue why theres not significantly more videos on shortstacking / countering shortstacks. Maybe its because majority of pokerplayers think kinda fishy, that short stackers are just some talentless annoyance or smth and refuse to work on their game in that area because of it. Makes no sense to me.
Havent even watched the video yet, but got all excited about it!
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Old 04-04-2012, 04:46 AM
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Default Re: Beating Short Stackers Part 1

Very nice video. Thanks!

Edit:
And i have two questions:

What is your plan after 3 betting BB vs SB? you advise a range consisting of 22+ etc., do i call the shove with the whole 3 betting range? what about sizing?

And how many hands should we shove when the shortstacker minraises from the button instead of 2.5x, as many shortstackers do? Don't we need to have a calling-range then?

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Old 04-04-2012, 09:46 AM
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Default Re: Beating Short Stackers Part 1

has anyone ever said that you sound exactly like Isaac Haxton? lol

hey great video this was well worth my time 10/10, i have had a few bad sessions vs short stackers for the past month at 10 and 25 nl. this should clear the air on some of the problems i have been having about opening my 3 betting range in IP vs a player who is 30-40 BB's deep
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Old 04-04-2012, 10:05 AM
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Default Re: Beating Short Stackers Part 1

Nice video man.

And I was ready to post a topic asking about strategies vs shortstackers and I saw your video.

Waiting for the second part with the 40bb. There are a lot on Pokerstars

Thanks for doing this

Keep up!
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:01 PM
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Default Re: Beating Short Stackers Part 1

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Very nice video. Thanks!

Edit:
And i have two questions:

What is your plan after 3 betting BB vs SB? you advise a range consisting of 22+ etc., do i call the shove with the whole 3 betting range? what about sizing?
I think just shoving is the most effective here. With most of your 3 betting range you would be better off if he just folded, and shoving forces him to play as tight as possible. For you to actually prefer to be called, you would be need 57.1% equity versus his calling range if he opened to 2.5 BB. So the only hands that really badly want to get called are TT+ (with 99 and AK it's about a wash). Of course, if you think he is not going to figure it out you could be super tricky and make it 6.5 BB with TT+ and a few bluffs and shove with everything else. My guess is they wouldn't figure out what you were doing until they played 4-5K hands against you and if they are robots maybe never!

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And how many hands should we shove when the shortstacker minraises from the button instead of 2.5x, as many shortstackers do? Don't we need to have a calling-range then?
If the short stacker min raises the button you could still follow the strategy outlined in the video-it would be no worse than conventional strategies, but then again I don't think it would be alot better anymore either. For instance, shoving hands like T6s would probably no longer be optimal. I think a better strategy would be as you say, to 3 bet less, and call alot. Although I have not yet done the math to prove it, I believe that you could profitably call a min. open with a very wide range: any ace, any two offsuit cards 7 or above, any two suited cards. The reason I believe this is that if you fold you will lose 50 big bets per 100, and I suspect you can call a min raise and lose less than that (even with a bad hand like 73s)-let's say something like 35 BB/100. The rake would be around 20 BB/100 per each of you and there would be 25 BB/100 dead from the small blind, so if the opponent won less than 35 BB/100 versus your flat call you would be doing better than if you folded. I personally doubt that a 60% open range would be able to win 35 BB/100 even with position and even against a weak hand like 87o, but of course doing the math and running some simulations to prove that assertion would be quite complex and time consuming.
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Old 04-05-2012, 05:07 AM
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Default Re: Beating Short Stackers Part 1

Very nice video! One of the best ive seen for sure Alot of interesting info. Kind of shocked about how often you can open from sb vs shortstacker in the bb and get it profitable. I want moar!
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Old 04-06-2012, 04:43 AM
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Default Re: Beating Short Stackers Part 1

this would have been good to watch on my ipod at the gym.

has leggo stopped this completely? is there a way i can make it work on my ipod.
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Old 04-06-2012, 04:57 AM
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this would have been good to watch on my ipod at the gym.

has leggo stopped this completely? is there a way i can make it work on my ipod.
Yes, I will have a quick and easy solution by tommorow. I will send you a PM once its available.
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Old 04-06-2012, 05:28 AM
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ok great, thanks
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