Bttech86 - Regulators (Part 4 of 4)

[Bttech86]

Video Description: In the final part of Ben's "Regulators" series, Ben mounts up on 3 tables of $1,000 NL and 1 table of $600 NL 6-Max on Full Tilt. Ben continues to focus on solid TAG fundamentals and balancing his game.


Video Link: http://www.leggopoker.com/videos/training/742/

Link To Part 1: http://www.leggopoker.com/videos/training/629/

Link To Part 2: http://www.leggopoker.com/videos/training/708/

Link To Part 3: http://www.leggopoker.com/videos/training/729/

Discuss here!

[Googolplex]

great vid, really enjoyed the series. couple questions:

at 30:00 you call a sb 3 bet on the btn with AhQx and call sb's cbet on a flop of Th 2d 6h.

at 34:30 almost the exact same situation, except the 3 bettor is bb and we are 200bbs deep. however, this time you raised bb's cbet on a flop of 8s 9d 4s.

just wondering if you could explain why you chose to take different lines in these spots. Note that in the first hand you had the bdnfd and you were 100bbs deep.

[Branman]

3:50- I don't really understand what you are trying to accomplish when you turn 66 into a bluff. You say you think you'll be OK if the PFR doesn't have an overpair... so are you trying to fold out exactly 7x? And there is still another person in the pot that can have all sets/draws, and I wouldn't expect them to fold a whole lot better than 7x either. I guess you protect your equity a bit by raising but it seems like the worst of the three options, especially with two streets left.

[Branman]

13:00- I don't understand why you elected to check raise when you hit the set of 7's on the turn. If you are planning on barreling based on equity then your range should be full of turned flush draws and straight draws. Having called on the flop, its much more likely that the villain has some kind of showdown value rather than any kind of draw. So many of his hands are pp's/AQ type hands that it seems very likely that the villain is going to check back a large percentage of the time. When you check raise, you are only getting value out of lower sets and high pocket pairs that would continue putting money in anyway. So it seems like you are losing a lot of value from the bottom 80% of the villains range and making your range more weighted towards bluffs when you barrel in the future.

[Edik89]

Hey ben, great series. I'm really looking forward to your next vids.
One Q about the AQ hand on T62A. You said it's definitely better to call the turn again instead of shoving. I don't think he's going to bluff very often after you called the turn and he's only got less than halfpot behind. Also there are some good draws he's going to bet/call the turn with, but probably cf river when he misses. So I really think shoving the turn would be better, especially because I don't think he's folding anything he bet 4 value. Please correct me if I'm wrong with any of my assumptions.

[Bttech86]

Originally Posted by Branman

3:50- I don't really understand what you are trying to accomplish when you turn 66 into a bluff. You say you think you'll be OK if the PFR doesn't have an overpair... so are you trying to fold out exactly 7x? And there is still another person in the pot that can have all sets/draws, and I wouldn't expect them to fold a whole lot better than 7x either. I guess you protect your equity a bit by raising but it seems like the worst of the three options, especially with two streets left.

Since padirk will never get out of line against my play all I need is for the cbettor to fold and I'm getting a good price. Just because I have the best hand doesn't mean I win the pot. There are very many turn and river combinations that leave me folding the best hand or unsure of how to proceed.

This guy probably won't barrel often enough though, so I think I should be more comfortable calling the flop. In general if I'm never going to get to actually show my hand down I prefer to either fold early or start bluffing.

[Bttech86]

Originally Posted by Googolplex

great vid, really enjoyed the series. couple questions:

at 30:00 you call a sb 3 bet on the btn with AhQx and call sb's cbet on a flop of Th 2d 6h.

at 34:30 almost the exact same situation, except the 3 bettor is bb and we are 200bbs deep. however, this time you raised bb's cbet on a flop of 8s 9d 4s.

just wondering if you could explain why you chose to take different lines in these spots. Note that in the first hand you had the bdnfd and you were 100bbs deep.

im not on my home computer so i dont have sound but i am watchin the video trying to answer your questions.

against zolee - i assume what im tihnking here is that zolee 3bets a ton from the SB and its mostly big cards and will 2 barrel all of my outs and i usually have the best hand - theres not very many turns that he'll bet and ill have to fold on.

against APAPAS i assume i was thinking that this guy was going to barrel tons and tons of turns and i prefer being in control of the hand rather than calling and guessing. i suppose this is the same situation as someone else brought up in the 66 hand - i probably have the best hand if he folds, but i dont think im going to win the pot often enough when i have the best hand and i call. i had played with him a lot the night before and i think his 2barrel is higher than anyones.

[Bttech86]

Originally Posted by Edik89

Hey ben, great series. I'm really looking forward to your next vids.
One Q about the AQ hand on T62A. You said it's definitely better to call the turn again instead of shoving. I don't think he's going to bluff very often after you called the turn and he's only got less than halfpot behind. Also there are some good draws he's going to bet/call the turn with, but probably cf river when he misses. So I really think shoving the turn would be better, especially because I don't think he's folding anything he bet 4 value. Please correct me if I'm wrong with any of my assumptions.

Hi,

I think the only merit to shoving here is to protect a desire to jam draws on the turn. If I was in a HU match against a highly skilled opponent I would be more concerned about this, but in 6-max at a limit that I would say only gets about 20% of my hands right now, I'm not too worried about balancing my 3bet pot turn shoving range. Additionally, I disagree that he won't shove the river as a bluff. He's repping AK, AQ, TT, AT, AX, 2 pr, whatever - and every single one of these hands would shove the river for value... so he's definitely "allowed" (and should) shell it off every once in a while. Also he probably thinks I get to the river with a lot of weak hands, which I probably do, and that will further encourage him to bluff.

[Bttech86]

Originally Posted by Branman

13:00- I don't understand why you elected to check raise when you hit the set of 7's on the turn. If you are planning on barreling based on equity then your range should be full of turned flush draws and straight draws. Having called on the flop, its much more likely that the villain has some kind of showdown value rather than any kind of draw. So many of his hands are pp's/AQ type hands that it seems very likely that the villain is going to check back a large percentage of the time. When you check raise, you are only getting value out of lower sets and high pocket pairs that would continue putting money in anyway. So it seems like you are losing a lot of value from the bottom 80% of the villains range and making your range more weighted towards bluffs when you barrel in the future.

Yeah I disagree about him checking back all of his marginal showdown stuff. I checked because I thought he would bet them too frequently and then find himself not wanting to fold, plus if I can get a checkraise in on the turn I can get all the money in which is great. Also it is nice to occasionally check something big on the turn in a spot where I might be giving up a decent amount so that people aren't auto betting everytime I check to them.

He's playing a lot more hands preflop that you're giving him credit for so I do think his range is a lot wider than lower sets and overpairs for continuing to put money in the pot - i think his vpip is in the 40s.

I do completely agree that this weakens my barrelling range but hey how often do you have a set? I could still barrel all of my overpairs and strong top pairs and my nuts:semibluff frequency wouldnt change very much. With regards to losing a lot of value from the bottom 80% of his range well I guess against his floats I am pushing him off them but as long as he's betting a lot of the hands that he calls with I think this play is fine.

[BackNdaLEFT]

word on the street is that this guy is a total brah....after seeing this video and hearing his theme song i can tell that's real talk