Originally Posted by jjooeeyy
44,30 ~ Regarding the 78s hand. u said u like cc the flop. Don't u think villain can play really well vs us if we cc? He can valuebet very well and also pick hands to bluff that have a lot of eq, so in my eyes it just feels like cc is gonna bet us into a lot of trouble vs someone decent? F ex if u didn't have an openender along with your pair, lets say u only have 9x or 7x without a draw, would u play the hand the same way by cc? What do u think?
Whe the turn is an ace, u said u were thinking about c/jam cuz u thought he might fold a T sometimes. Do u think he should? I really think if he continues to barrel turn with a T, which is pretty likely, i just can't see him bf on that card. I'm i wrong here?
Good video man, enjoyed it!
With a bare 7x or 9x my standard is usually to bet/fold. I c/c with the open ender because I felt we have enough equity to c/c a lot of turns and possibly check down whereas due to low equity with just a pair and the poor playability on future cards I don't mind bet folding. Whereas with the hand we had for example we could've shoved turn so even on a bad card we still have enough equity to get it in. I did however get myself into a tough spot and make a slightly -ev fold so that could be an argument for just making it easy and bet/3bet flop or even c/r to get a bluff out of him. However I'm happy to take tough lines with hands it also helps you improve. I got myself into a sticky spot and then reviewed the situation ran some ranges and looked at the math etc. So in the future all of these tough spots if I review them they will become easy spots whereas my opponents will likely be confused and make mistakes.
My equity against a range of a lot of Ax, sets, straights, 2 pair, then things like QJ, KQ is actually 36% to get the money in against that range we'd need 41%. That ofc is sort of the tighest range he can have though and assuming he never folds. So it likely is slightly +ev if he can ever have a wider range things like 85s that are bet/folding give us some fold equity. Given our equity is pretty good when getting it in we need almost no fold equity.
I mean I don't think he'd bet fold Tx against me, unless maybe it's like T5s, a lot of his Tx will have a str8 draw, but I could see him betting a weak Tx for value planning on checking river back but when I shove when the A hits he could fold. I mean it's probably a small % of the time that he folds something like Tx but it's likely non-zero. So adding everything up it's slightly +ev. Basically to sum it up it's just a spot where we have a great deal of equity and the pot is huge so even against a full value range we aren't getting murdered too badly, so against regulars who have at least a small bluffing frequency it becomes good. Against a huge nit I could see it being a fold if they simply aren't bluffing and their 3 bet calling range is stronger.