harangutang - $200 NL

[harangutang]

Video Description: In this video Tim reviews a 4 table $200 NL 6-Max session played by fellow Leggo Pro "bw07507" on Full Tilt. Tim discusses check raising dry flops, playing with minimal reads, and live poker options in Las Vegas.

Video Link: http://www.leggopoker.com/videos/training/796/

Discuss here!

[Shaitan]

1/3 of the way through,

-4 minutes in, disagree with some of the things you say about 3betting QJo. with position, initiative, and limited history i think being flat called via hands that dominate us will be quite profitable.

assumptions on how he is continuing in HJ vs CO with AQo, AQs, AJs?

KJs, KQs?

[bw07507]

If I remember correctly I think I made a couple spewy call downs in this session, but I am really looking forward to hear what you think of my play.

[harangutang]

Originally Posted by bw07507

If I remember correctly I think I made a couple spewy call downs in this session, but I am really looking forward to hear what you think of my play.

Meant to msg you abou this before the vid came out, but I think you played really well.

[harangutang]

Originally Posted by Shaitan

1/3 of the way through,

-4 minutes in, disagree with some of the things you say about 3betting QJo. with position, initiative, and limited history i think being flat called via hands that dominate us will be quite profitable.

assumptions on how he is continuing in HJ vs CO with AQo, AQs, AJs?

KJs, KQs?

Could you elaborate on how being flatted by hands that dominate ours will be quite profitable? My assumption is that he is flatting most of those hands, maybe 4betting AQ/AQs if he isn't comfortable flatting, but way more likely to flat with limited history. Which is why I think it's a spot where domination is a legitimate concern. If he is mostly 4 bet/folding then QJ is a pretty good hand to 3bet because of the two broadway blockers.

[Donktard]

The QT hand at around the 10 minute mark on table 2. I think the river is a check call, as fish who usually minraise the flop and check back the turn here either have a full house or a flush draw. I dont think betting the river with our hand accomplishes anything. Once he insta ships the river obv this is a clear fold. Fish do not play a busted flush draw or a worse 10 like this ever, especially after the turn play and you've virtually bet pot on the river.

[Shaitan]

Originally Posted by harangutang

Could you elaborate on how being flatted by hands that dominate ours will be quite profitable? My assumption is that he is flatting most of those hands, maybe 4betting AQ/AQs if he isn't comfortable flatting, but way more likely to flat with limited history. Which is why I think it's a spot where domination is a legitimate concern. If he is mostly 4 bet/folding then QJ is a pretty good hand to 3bet because of the two broadway blockers.

he's going to miss more often than he hits. with no feel for how we play i'd expect him not to be getting out of line postflop.

i'd imagine the increased FE from our blockers makes QJo a good hand to 3b even if he isn't playing the 3b/fold game.

say he opens 24% in the hj and defends with this range 99+,ATs+,KJs+,QJs,AQo+,KQo (agree?)

off preflop fe,

ev = 4.5x + (1-x)-9.5

4.5x +9.5x -9.5 = 14x = 9.5/14 = .678

so he needs to fold ~68% of the time for us to breakeven off fe. w/o blockers he folds 69% of time, with them its 74.4.

iirc, you mentioned something with 68s so i'll use that as example.

when he continues and we see a flop i don't think our EV is less with QJo rather than 68s.. you think it is?

[piguanitore]

At 24:19 (15:38 in your own video) : You hold A5, you check back A87 mono, peel turn, and call river.
You said it was a standard call because all the draws missed etc, but is he really bluffing a 2 offsuit ? Especially with that 1/2 betsizing ? Seems to me like he's never vbetting worse than what you have, and rarely bluffing.

[harangutang]

Hey guys, thanks for the comments so far, I'm just finishing rewatching the video and making some notes so I'll be sure to answer all the questions.

[harangutang]

Originally Posted by Donktard

The QT hand at around the 10 minute mark on table 2. I think the river is a check call, as fish who usually minraise the flop and check back the turn here either have a full house or a flush draw. I dont think betting the river with our hand accomplishes anything. Once he insta ships the river obv this is a clear fold. Fish do not play a busted flush draw or a worse 10 like this ever, especially after the turn play and you've virtually bet pot on the river.

Thought about this hand some more and while I still think bet is good I now agree that c/c is also a line with similar ev, since it does let him bluff draws. My concern is that after his snap turn check he could have a lot of other made hands that are going to insta check the river but would call the bet such as mid pair, 88-99, JJ+.

Diagree that he could never have a busted flush draw/straight draw or a worse 10 here, but agree that is is pretty unlikely. I noted that he is playing 50 VPIP and seems very erratic, but forgot to note a pretty important detail about this player that is really relevant to this hand - just prior to the hand at the 5:35 mark he doubled his 55 bb stack by 3bet jamming 55bbs over a 3bb open with A5s and sucking out. I definitely should have mentioned this specifically.

I think the general concept of not folding very strong hands (in absolute value) vs unknowns who are playing very loose and aggro is an important one. In this particular hand I think the decision to call or fold after he jams is going to be very marginal in terms of EV, but I still slightly prefer a call getting 2:1. It's close, imo.