harangutang - $400 NL

[harangutang]

Video Description: Tim plays 6 tables of $400 NL 6-Max on PokerStars while discussing tips for playing 16 tables at once and using broad player classifications when you have limited reads.

Video Link: http://www.leggopoker.com/videos/training/1245/

Discuss here!

[lancelott_]

great

[valentinears]

When you cold call the 3b oop w AK, what other hands are in your range for that? what is your plan if the reg flats and you flop tp or a draw? His range is presumably pretty strong to be 3betting someone with that stack size, so I don't think you get paid much when you hit vs the reg (i'd actually be worried about aa,kk when the flop comes A or K high and stacks get in). This seems like a spot where I'd never consider flatting due to getting into too many weird spots postflop. I understand what you're saying about inducing the fish to shove, but I would just be 4b/calling or 4b/folding (probably never have a 4b bluff there due to the stack size of the fish) my whole range here in a mass tabling session. That being said, it was interesting to see a line I'm not used to and I think flatting definitely has some merit given the specific situation.

P.S. what do you think of stars 2/4 vs party 2/4?

[gotvloei?]

wich books did google wrote?

[DuckinF0nk]

I don't agree w valentinears, i really like the coldcall w AK because they never put us on this hand. Usually our range in that spot is TT,JJ,QQ most likely and sometimes KK+. We keep the fish in the pot and we play the hand as a draw: If we hit it is almost sure that the fish will pay us out and sometimes we can take down the pot on 222 type flops where our range is strong and the reg will play str8forward, wont cbet his AQ/TT hands. If we dont hit instead of going broke pre,(even if we play 4bet/call EV will be around -5 : -7bb/100) we lose 9bbs.
I would check the turn as well. If our range is most likely TT, JJ we wouldnt bet those hands and when we bet we have the very bottom of our range and never expect to get called by the reg. With the check we give to the fish the opportunity to spazz out w random bluffs.

harangutang: please link in that bruut99 post on 2+2.
Nice vid, i hope you will make more on pokerstars!

[valentinears]

Good points, DF. I like your reasoning. If one is willing to play his whole range in a weak sort of way when the pot ends up hu with the reg(I worry about playing guessing games with marginal hands vs a competent player when I'm oop) and just trying to get value from the weaker player when we hit, then flatting here could definitely be more attractive/less variance than blindly 4b/calling bc we have an Ace and a King. So you would be flatting your whole value range here?

[valentinears]

Originally Posted by gotvloei?

wich books did google wrote?

"the nose" is one of them oddly enough.

[DuckinF0nk]

Originally Posted by valentinears

Good points, DF. I like your reasoning. If one is willing to play his whole range in a weak sort of way when the pot ends up hu with the reg(I worry about playing guessing games with marginal hands vs a competent player when I'm oop) and just trying to get value from the weaker player when we hit, then flatting here could definitely be more attractive/less variance than blindly 4b/calling bc we have an Ace and a King. So you would be flatting your whole value range here?

I am not sure it depends on my reads on the regular. If the reg is good enough to realize that i am never bluffing if i cold4bet and capable folding some of his valuerange, then i am flatting with my whole value range, if the reg is weak enough then i dont want to lose value w AA to not cold4 bet and "cooler" the regular 100% of the time. Again if the reg is good then i am flatting w AA get the fish involved, then donkbet most flops, if the reg is mass tabler-non thinking- "have to go broke w AK all the time" thinker, then i just cold4bet my valuerange(KK+).

[harangutang]

Originally Posted by gotvloei?

wich books did google wrote?

I've read and enjoyed The Overcoat and Taras Bulba. The nose is also one of his more famous books.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Gogol

[harangutang]

Originally Posted by valentinears

When you cold call the 3b oop w AK, what other hands are in your range for that? what is your plan if the reg flats and you flop tp or a draw? His range is presumably pretty strong to be 3betting someone with that stack size, so I don't think you get paid much when you hit vs the reg (i'd actually be worried about aa,kk when the flop comes A or K high and stacks get in). This seems like a spot where I'd never consider flatting due to getting into too many weird spots postflop. I understand what you're saying about inducing the fish to shove, but I would just be 4b/calling or 4b/folding (probably never have a 4b bluff there due to the stack size of the fish) my whole range here in a mass tabling session. That being said, it was interesting to see a line I'm not used to and I think flatting definitely has some merit given the specific situation.

P.S. what do you think of stars 2/4 vs party 2/4?

Good question. I basically completely agree with DF here and think he did a good writeup that I agree with.

I don't have too much experience with Stars 2/4 but the games seem very similar now that Americans can't play on Stars. Maybe a few more ratholers on Party (30bb min buyin) and a few more masstablers on Stars (rewards program is better for high volume players).