Irishman07 - $600 NL HH Review

[Irishman07]

Video Description: In this hand history review video Dan goes over several different squeeze situations he faced while playing $600 NL 6-Max on Full Tilt. Dan looks at the factors involved in deciding if shoving over a squeeze attempt is a +ev play.

Video Link: http://www.leggopoker.com/videos/training/658/

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[gobsmacked1]

Cool idea for a video

[baba]

I think these types of videos are great and provide alot more learning material than the typical vid. more please!

2 observations tho:

You dont include the amount you call preflop (usually 3bb) into your winning amount when you successful shove over a squeeze. Since your 3bb is in the pot, its no longer yours, its there to be won, surely you should include that into your sums? Hope that makes sense!

You frequently shove aq/aj etc over a squeeze. If AeJones watchs this vid, i'd really like to hear some thoughts from him on this? I could have got this wrong, but i'm sure he advocates never 4betting Aq/Aj in a spot where you can profitably call a 3bet i.e it has too much postflop value/playability.

AeJones if your out there.....!

[baba]

dont suppose you could post your excel spreadsheet for download? would be nice!

[aejones]

baba, everything is situation oriented. I mean, If player X is squeezing Y% when you open and loose SB flats, you can figure out what he's doing it with for value (JJ/TT+ or AQ/AK, depending on the player), and then you can just figure out how often he has to fold when your hand (let's say AJ or 88) gets called (based on what equity you have when called, obviously).

I haven't done calcs like this very frequently, in fact I haven't hardly done them at all in my career, but I advocate most people do them.

IF you are going to flat a 3-bet, you are getting some sort of price depending on how this player will play postflop, but hands for doing it would include strong face card hands and strong suited connectors (suited broadways, basically). They would NOT include hands like 77, which do okay when all in preflop vs AQ/TT+ but do not do so hot after the flop because you will find yourself set mining too frequently.

[Irishman07]

Originally Posted by baba

I think these types of videos are great and provide alot more learning material than the typical vid. more please!

2 observations tho:

You dont include the amount you call preflop (usually 3bb) into your winning amount when you successful shove over a squeeze. Since your 3bb is in the pot, its no longer yours, its there to be won, surely you should include that into your sums? Hope that makes sense!

You frequently shove aq/aj etc over a squeeze. If AeJones watchs this vid, i'd really like to hear some thoughts from him on this? I could have got this wrong, but i'm sure he advocates never 4betting Aq/Aj in a spot where you can profitably call a 3bet i.e it has too much postflop value/playability.

AeJones if your out there.....!

I actually included that amount that I called in the line right above the net value of the shove. It's a slightly different way of calculating the value of the shove (adding in the calling amount in after instead of factoring it in to the amount won) but I think the math works out. I'm not a math genius by any means but it should still show whats better, shoving or folding. If anyone wants to verify it I can easily make the excel file available or just explain how to set it up (it's pretty quick/easy)

I didn't go too much into detail about whether calling might have sometimes been better than shoving - but a couple thoughts on that. Certainly a hand like AQ has a good amount of value postflop if you believe your opponent is squeezing a lot. However, in certain scenarios I think it might just be better to shove over the squeeze if you believe it's +ev.

For instance, let's say you're in the CO and flat MP's open with AQ. Button squeezes which you know he does far too much preflop. MP folds and you decide that shoving is +ev. Calling probably isn't bad either but if you aren't comfortable playing postflop - i.e. you feel button will play better postflop because he has position or just because he's better than you than a shove could be warranted. Also, if you don't have a good handle on his postflop tendencies than you'll find yourself in a lot of tough situations where you're not sure if you're making a good decision. I think in those cases if you think shoving preflop is good it might just be best to lock in that ev to avoid making a bad decision later.

[aejones]

It should also be noted that calling should very rarely be done OOP. A lot of the value you have is being able to represent certain ranges (stronger than you actually have in absolute value and then stronger than you actually have on some flops) which can be done by floating or bluff raising or playing your value hands in the best manner possible.

If the scenario is open MP, you flat CO with KQs or 88, button is active and squeezes-- well, it'll be really hard to play any hand OOP there, unless it's aces!

[BaBa Gato]

great video!

learned a lot from it and it opened my eyes (WHOOT, backraise-shoving TT isn't profitable against a lot of players!?!? )

would be great if you upload the exel-sheet to make some calcs on my own

[orpz]

very very good video. more of these in the future please

[EvilSky]

Not a math genius either, but im pretty sure the 18 you put in with your call now belongs to the pot, so you EV when he fold would actually be 90+18 and your EV when you fold is always 0 so you dont actually lose 18.