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Originally Posted by badonkbadonk12345
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Originally Posted by Branman
When you have KK and 3b the utg raiser, I'm not sure why you are so sure he can be slowplaying better hands often. What incentive does he have to "trap" on a 9TJss board? Sets are vulnerable to flush draws and four straights (or at least a crapload of turn/river combos that make his life unhappy), Q8 isn't really in his range, low straights are vulnerable too so seems like he should be 'protecting' a lot of those hands. "
Additionally, hands like Two pairs+ should be jacking it in because they all lose value to KK/AA when the board runs out wet. So that leaves precisely KQ (which I still think raises sometimes) and you have half the kings already. It seems a lot more likely that he has pairs (AJ/KJ maybe) or 1 pair/Pair+sd/fd hands which have showdown value+implied odds. What do you think?
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I mean, I just said that there was a higher chance this player would have those hands than other players would. It's an incredibly insignificant point because he might have them 4% of the time instead of 2% of the time. I was mainly saying it because it's true and more interesting than "kings 3bet pot try to get all in doesn't matter what he has.
So, those other hands will of course be in his range more frequently
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Originally Posted by dj_mercury
Around min 23, QJ hand against JJ on table 3. You say that once he bets pot on the river he is representing a really narrow range that doesn't include an hand like AK, because he isn't playing TPTK like this and I agree with you. However to call river we need him to be bluffing by potting air or turning a made hand into a bluff (9x), but wouldn't a player always fire turn with air on such a perfect barrel card? From my experience at 200NL people won't fire this turn with TT-QQ (I can't get called by worse syndrome), but will pretty much always fire (unless they are nit or scared to run big bluffs, which I assume someone sitting at 200bb tables is not) with AK, monsters or air. Making this a fold on the river, also because people do not generally turn made hands into bluff at this limit and are usually not taking such a sophisticated line as a bluff.
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I highlighted a couple parts of your post. You made a very interesting statement when you said that you don't expect people to take sophisticated lines as a bluff. However, in poker, supreme sophistication looks identical to supreme stupidity, because it's all about levels. One level above is the same as one level below.
There was a hand from the WSOP ME HU where Darvin Moon limped the button with QQ and called a raise. He then raised in position on a king high board, and followed up on a turn ace. River k went ch ch and he looked like a genius against 99. From a world class player, that play looks amazing. However, we know Darvin's actually ability, so we know he was just clicking buttons. When your opponent, whom you would not classify as good, represents a very small range, they only need to have a random hand once in a blue moon (BOOM INTENTIONAL PUNS) to skew their range significantly and make it a call.
If they do turn over the value part of their narrow range a couple/few times without showing a random bluff, then we can adjust.
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