mythrilfox - $50 NL

[mythrilfox]

In his first live play video for Leggo Drew plays 4 tables of $50 NL 6-Max on Lock while discussing 4-betting, dealing with hyper-aggression, and adjusting to table conditions.

[jjooeeyy]

1,30 ~ Table 4 you 3bet KK otb vs a co open. Flop comes AA7r, you cbet and villain call. Turn is a 3 which brings a flushdraw and you checked back. What do u think about betting for value again and checking back river? That would usually be the line I would take. Or is it to thin? It also provents you from facing a weird spot on the river when he donks into u.

25 min ~ You 3bet AKs sb vs UTG. Flop comes Q4Ts. Thinking about villains callingrange preflop, it really smashes this board. The only hands u will get him to fold is stuff like 99. Althought in these positions it's questionable how many PPs he is defending. So what is your plan for the hand gonna be? I think continuing to bet turn on a blank isn't great just because he is gonna have so many Qx and stuff like JJ that is gonna continue to call. So given the way I look at it, turn should be a c/f. Do you agree with this?

Solid video.

[mythrilfox]

hey man, thanks for the questions.

Originally Posted by jjooeeyy

1,30 ~ Table 4 you 3bet KK otb vs a co open. Flop comes AA7r, you cbet and villain call. Turn is a 3 which brings a flushdraw and you checked back. What do u think about betting for value again and checking back river? That would usually be the line I would take. Or is it to thin? It also provents you from facing a weird spot on the river when he donks into u.

yeah, looking back I think I overthought a bit on this one. I said I checked the turn because he wouldn't expect me to ever be bluffing that turn (b/c he would have to be floating oop some and it's such a crappy turn to barrel, etc.), and that's probably true vs. better players, but this guy is 8/4 and that stuff probably isn't very relevant against him.

supposing we bet turn and get called by {AQ-AJ,QQ-TT}, we have a little over 50% equity, so I do think bet turn/ck river is probably better here both because the river is pretty awkward if he bets into us and in case a K-J rolls off and gets him to fold some pocket pair that would've called the turn.

25 min ~ You 3bet AKs sb vs UTG. Flop comes Q4Ts. Thinking about villains callingrange preflop, it really smashes this board. The only hands u will get him to fold is stuff like 99. Althought in these positions it's questionable how many PPs he is defending. So what is your plan for the hand gonna be? I think continuing to bet turn on a blank isn't great just because he is gonna have so many Qx and stuff like JJ that is gonna continue to call. So given the way I look at it, turn should be a c/f. Do you agree with this?

in my experience a lot of people call 3bets with pocket pairs a lot at these stakes not getting correct odds (which might even moreso be the case because he puts me on a strong range 3betting his UTG open). he had 100% fold to 3bet at the time but that was only over 1 hand so is pretty much irrelevant, plus all his other stats were really loose at that point which in my mind makes it reasonably more likely he's peeling 3bets wide, so basically I am betting because I have OK equity when called and a ton of fold equity vs. his pocket pairs. vs. tighter 3bet calling ranges I agree this is a c/f even with the 3 outer to the nuts-a-hoy.

on turns I am c/fing blanks because, like you said, he's gonna have too many TT-QQ, Qx and not enough AJ/KJ/rando hearts to profitably continue. if a jack comes I'm basically always barreling off at these stakes. A and K turns are pretty awkward, but I think you should bet turn and c/f river since this guy appears pretty loose and is probably peeling you with a lot of pair+SD on the turn.

Solid video.

thanks

[mythrilfox]

also after watching this I wanted to specify that when I was talking about calling 4bets IP I meant mostly with deeper stacks and vs. very aggro 4bettors - I don't do it at 100bb all that often (though it's fine there too in the right conditions). we were 200bb deep vs that guy and he was 4betting everything under the sun, so I think the best way to profit against him is by 3bet/flatting 4bets IP with a lot of good broadway hands.

[Anthony18]

Hey! Good vid as usual man.
No qs here since you explained everything really well in the vid.

Looking forward to next part, GL!

[poker girl]

5:30- with A8s on table 4, would you consider flatting here with no history?

[mythrilfox]

Originally Posted by poker girl

5:30- with A8s on table 4, would you consider flatting here with no history?

pretty much never, I think that is definitely a losing play w/o further reads. if someone is opening really wide AND you have good postflop reads on them then maybe you can make a case for flatting it, but that's a hand I virtually never flat vs. an EP raise.

[guitarizt]

1:30 KK I like the turn check. He probably folds TT-JJ on the turn anyways a
decent amount and more likely to call river if turn checks through.

Simulated 100000 Holdem Hands (Monte Carlo)
Simulation by Slice - The ev++ Equity Calculator
Board :: AdAs7c3s

 Player   Equity   Win Hi   Tie Hi      Range         
    
   1       49.3     47.2     4.1           QQ     
   2       50.7     48.7     4.1      TT-QQ,AQ,AJ

8:00 AK I found interesting. A 3.05 bet into 4.07 pot has to work 43% of the time
to b/e. At first I thought he doesn't fold near enough on the turn after calling
flop since I expect him to call Tx again, but if you have 18% equity against his
calling range and have no implied odds you only need him to fold turn 23% for the
bet to be b/e. I was surprised how little he has to fold turn. I guess it's
pretty obvious cause you could just go 43% - 18% to get about 25%. I never really
thought it before and just would nit it up and check.

8:00 T9s I like giving up river because I don't think he folds nearly enough draw
combos to make up for value combos. I know it's a small sample but this villain
looks like he could be a 30/15 type. These player types especially love
minraising the flop with pairs to see where they're at. Even the taggier people
will do it too and I don't see draws here often at all.

17:00 AA I hate raising these spots because I feel like I'm never ahead when the
money goes in, but at the same time I think AA is ahead of their donking range. I
am too nitty and raising and getting it in is fine?

22:00 A8 At first I didn't like the turn bet because this guy's been so fit or
fold, but it's kind of the same thing as the AK hand at 8:00 where you have so
much equity against his calling range that if he ever folds it's fine. I like a
turn bet better now.

43:00 A9 Hand I have no idea what's going on on the river. He should have some
kind of made hand and it's weird for him to turn a made hand into a bluff on the
river but I agree with what you said about the unknown factor. I haven't seen
this line enough to know what's best on river.

46:40 AT I like the three barrel. I don't think he ever folds 88-JJ on turn and
the river heart is great for your perceived range.

[TheStudent]

1,30 ~ Table 4 you 3bet KK otb vs a co open. Flop comes AA7r, you cbet and villain call. Turn is a 3 which brings a flushdraw and you checked back. What do u think about betting for value again and checking back river? That would usually be the line I would take. Or is it to thin? It also provents you from facing a weird spot on the river when he donks into u.

Well, if you call his riverbet and he has Ax, you would also have lost that amount if u did bet on the turn and checked back river, so that's why I wouldn't worry too much about the Ax part of his range, but I would think only about the way to get maximum value from 99/TT/JJ/QQ, and I think bet, check, bet accomplishes that best. I know this is the job of Mytrillfox to answer this lol, but I just want to see if my reasoning is good here.

[guitarizt]

He posted that betting turn is better, but I think he might have done the equity wrong against villain's calling range and I'm not too worried about a J-K hitting the river and losing action. Bet/Bet looks so strong.