RikaKazak - Theory Part 2

[RikaKazak]

Jared talks about the results of his most recent experiment, auto raising every complete he faced by 4x. He then talks about blocking bets and ways to induce bluff raises. Jared finishes off the video with a live poker hand where he slow played in a non traditional spot to maximize his EV against an aggressive opponent.

[LeClochard]

Great explanation as usual!
Like this kind of format a lot btw, the topic of inducing with blockbets is also very hot at the moment, it might be a coincidence, but I checked a vid on another site recently where it was discussed as well, nice to get to know a little about your experiences with the play.
When you discussed the KK live hand, I actually thought u were repping exactly 99-QQ in that spot, like the villain mentioned. I wonder what line you would have taken if you actually had 99-QQ in that specific spot. Did you think villain was a good enough handreader to try and barrel you of those exact hands, in other words, would you have played it the same way, or would you have taken a different line?

[Kert1987]

Thats the point here - you should not rep the hands you have when playing against players who can hand read.

With 99-QQ I assume it is safer to b/f or c/f instead of check calling down without a proper plan (not knowing how many barrels to call etc). When you check strong hands on dry boards (like the KK example, you could have AA; AK, KQ etc there aswell) it protects your checking range so people can't really exploit you by "making you fold all the time" since often enough you have a hand that can call them down and punish them for it.

Is my logic correct here?

I've been working really hard on this part of my game and every time I try to "fix" something I end up at the same spot - when I can't profitably valuebet, bluff or check to induce a bet from a wide range that I'm ahead of, it's usually just best to give up right away (aiming to check-continue with the top of my checking range and folding the weaker part of my range)

[vinivici9586]

guessing 55 fold. 40 call. 5 reraise

[vinivici9586]

call block 30. fold 60. raise 10.

[guitarizt]

I filtered my hands this year for 6+ players where I was bb and sb limped. I raised 586 times. We didn't see the flop 220 times. I'm surprised it's that low even at micros. I didn't filter for them limp rr'ing but even I have to admit that hardly ever happens. They're probably folding about 35% of the time pre just at the micros and I always make it 3bb total preflop.

[LeClochard]

Originally Posted by Kert1987

Thats the point here - you should not rep the hands you have when playing against players who can hand read.

With 99-QQ I assume it is safer to b/f or c/f instead of check calling down without a proper plan (not knowing how many barrels to call etc). When you check strong hands on dry boards (like the KK example, you could have AA; AK, KQ etc there aswell) it protects your checking range so people can't really exploit you by "making you fold all the time" since often enough you have a hand that can call them down and punish them for it.

Is my logic correct here?

I've been working really hard on this part of my game and every time I try to "fix" something I end up at the same spot - when I can't profitably valuebet, bluff or check to induce a bet from a wide range that I'm ahead of, it's usually just best to give up right away (aiming to check-continue with the top of my checking range and folding the weaker part of my range)

I understand your point, but the fact we put big hands like topset in our check/calling range is exactly to protect our weaker hands c/c'ing, so if we remove 99-QQ from our c/c range, there's no need to c/c topset in the first place, right?

[Kert1987]

No, we mainly put them in c/c range because it's more +EV than betting (when we bet on dry boards our opponents really can't call with much).

[RikaKazak]

Originally Posted by LeClochard

Great explanation as usual!
Like this kind of format a lot btw, the topic of inducing with blockbets is also very hot at the moment, it might be a coincidence, but I checked a vid on another site recently where it was discussed as well, nice to get to know a little about your experiences with the play.
When you discussed the KK live hand, I actually thought u were repping exactly 99-QQ in that spot, like the villain mentioned. I wonder what line you would have taken if you actually had 99-QQ in that specific spot. Did you think villain was a good enough handreader to try and barrel you of those exact hands, in other words, would you have played it the same way, or would you have taken a different line?

Thanks for the kind words I'm glad you liked the explinations

I didn't know another video on another site also discussed the topic of blocking bets, but I do agree, it's sort of a "hot" topic right now and one of the reasons I wanted to bring up the topic (I try to stay aware of what's relevant/popular, and I try to talk about those topics). And if there's an issued you guys would like to know more about (maybe cold 4 bet bluffing etc.) Always feel free to recommend topics. I'm down to discuss anything

In regards to the KK live hand, it'd depend on my level of comfort of playing difficult spots against the villain. If I "wasn't in the mood" or didn't "feel" comfortable oop with a 99-QQ type hand, I would of probably just c-bet the flop and take it from there. I do that maybe 75% of the time (or maybe even more tbh). If I feel very comfortable post flop, and feel like I do have a strong read, I would play the hand like I did yesterday (it was a live hand, I had QQ on Kxx board, HU...only difference I was in position instead of oop).

In that hand I checked behind the flop because the villain was very agro against weakness and I called turn (slowly, I paused to give him more reason to believe I was weak) then I called the river (quickly, because it was my plan). Sometimes he'll have a KJ type hand and I'll be wrong, but I'm getting good odds, and by checking the flop it was 2 streets max I could face. He ended up having air (ace high) so there was a downside to giving a free card. But overall I liked the play.

Long winded way of saying: If you want an easy way to play it, c-bet flop and take it from there. Difficult way = check/eval (potentially higher EV though if you're way better post flop). I personally c-bet the vast majority of the time.

[RikaKazak]

Originally Posted by Kert1987

Thats the point here - you should not rep the hands you have when playing against players who can hand read.

With 99-QQ I assume it is safer to b/f or c/f instead of check calling down without a proper plan (not knowing how many barrels to call etc). When you check strong hands on dry boards (like the KK example, you could have AA; AK, KQ etc there aswell) it protects your checking range so people can't really exploit you by "making you fold all the time" since often enough you have a hand that can call them down and punish them for it.

Is my logic correct here?

This is very sound logic and pretty much spot on

The key is "without a proper plan" I love that wording/sentence from you. It's a great way of saying what I was trying to get across.