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Old 08-31-2009, 03:31 AM
 
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Video Description: In this video Reid plays 4 tables of $200 NL 6-Max on Full Tilt. Reid discusses timing tells, hand ranges and common mistakes SSNL regulars are making.

Video Link: http://www.leggopoker.com/videos/training/557/

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Old 08-31-2009, 06:05 AM
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ugh. video quality is horrible.
content seemed fine. gotta watch it again when I'm not so tired. The skipping video was awful and at times very very distracting, especially when you didn't say what actions took place during the skipped time frame.

EDIT: i blame it on vista

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Old 08-31-2009, 08:26 AM
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gr8 video.. except you dont seem to know much about these games. you still made good decisions but you give regs too much credit.

the QJ hand at the begening is a snap call and let me tell you why

most regs who actually watch videos every single days will bet bet on 368 A 3 with QTo when u check back flop and obviously have an ace

thats the most basic hand to represent how people think


'you no raise, i bet'
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Old 08-31-2009, 10:19 AM
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Content good. Skipping bad
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Old 08-31-2009, 12:27 PM
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A buyin a day keeps the doctor away... The tilt doctor
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Old 08-31-2009, 01:07 PM
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Hey, Nice vid!

Couple of questions though:

1. In the begining of the video the KQo hand when you flat KQo to a btn raise from the SB.
You lead the flop and call a huge raise w/ and OESD + 2OCs. I don't see any merit for doing that.
You are OOP, you don't have the initiative and also I am not sure you can really rep a diamond draw when it hits that often just b/c a regular would expect you to either bet/3bet a draw like Ad9d or like 8d9d or c/r it. Also you risk getting barreled by like 5d6d on the turn. And also if you think you can actually rep a diamond draw when it hits w/ this line (which seems like the only merit for b/c the flop) a c/r will accomplish that too, and it seems even more believable in the regs mind that you c/r-ed w/ a FD on the flop
I mean the only reason to lead the flop would be to bet/3bet allin. Just b/c you think the reg will raise you light on that flop or/and get it in w/ worse draws. You have a big draw here w/ two overs and a nut OESD.

2. At the 11 minute mark you flat QdJh to a CO raise c/c a Qh 8d 3h flop and c/c a 6h turn.
On the river you say that you have 8x a decent amount so your range is protected from his bluffs. But the thing is that I can't see how you can really have an 8 on the river.
Almost all 8x hands in your PF flatting range are suited and when the turn brings three hearts out there you will probably fold b/c you dont have a heart and your equity is pretty poor. (like 89s, A9s, 78s etc)
And you say that the 8 is a bad card for him to bluff, why? You pretty much never have 8x on the river. Also you won't have a hand that can call again the river (AQ, KQ, and some slowplayed flushes and boats). Still a decent amount of hands but not too many.
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Content good. Skipping bad
QFT!
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gr8 video.. except you dont seem to know much about these games. you still made good decisions but you give regs too much credit.

the QJ hand at the begening is a snap call and let me tell you why

most regs who actually watch videos every single days will bet bet on 368 A 3 with QTo when u check back flop and obviously have an ace

thats the most basic hand to represent how people think


'you no raise, i bet'
I definitely agree with your example, and that's the way it is at a lot of higher limits as well; however, I disagree that the spot with QJ is the same. It's a pretty terrible river for him to bluff and I think that my hand is pretty face up as either a Q, of which I'd have QT-KQ (along with discounted other hands like slow-played big pairs, occasionally AQ) or an 8x hand with a heart. Now, when a blank river comes, I don't expect him to be trying to fold me off of any of those hands. So when he bets 2/3 psb, a very value bet looking bet (people at 200nl in general have horrible bet sizing tells, I've seen from coaching and this video), I think it's a good fold still without some further read on that specific player.

I definitely agree that if the turns an ace though that it's a whole new ballgame as far as most 200nl players having an overly large barreling range.
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Hey, Nice vid!

Couple of questions though:

1. In the begining of the video the KQo hand when you flat KQo to a btn raise from the SB.
You lead the flop and call a huge raise w/ and OESD + 2OCs. I don't see any merit for doing that.
You are OOP, you don't have the initiative and also I am not sure you can really rep a diamond draw when it hits that often just b/c a regular would expect you to either bet/3bet a draw like Ad9d or like 8d9d or c/r it. Also you risk getting barreled by like 5d6d on the turn. And also if you think you can actually rep a diamond draw when it hits w/ this line (which seems like the only merit for b/c the flop) a c/r will accomplish that too, and it seems even more believable in the regs mind that you c/r-ed w/ a FD on the flop
I mean the only reason to lead the flop would be to bet/3bet allin. Just b/c you think the reg will raise you light on that flop or/and get it in w/ worse draws. You have a big draw here w/ two overs and a nut OESD.
It could be a flop fold, but allow me to elaborate on my thought process. When I lead, I expect to be floated by marginal made hands like AT or weaker draws that don't want to get it in on the flop because, and as you said, they should be expecting a bet-three-bet a decent amount of the time and he doesn't want to get blown of a hand that has a good amount of equity versus my range. For his raising range, this leaves hands that I do not want to get it in against because I'll either be slightly behind a hand like AJ or crushed by something like A9dd or a two-pair / set type hand and it leaves air. I expect air to give up on a decent amount of turns and his good made hands to stack off if I hit my draw. I also expect hands, probably mostly his air ones, to fold on a river diamond a decent amount.

This is a board that he will check back quite a bit as the preflop raiser and with my good draw, that's not something I want him to do. This board hits my small blind calling range quite a bit and so I think I can believably represent a range with a lot of made hands in it. While the flop call is a little iffy, mostly because of his large raise, I think my logic for not getting it in on the flop is sound and that he'll play very straightforwardly after I call such a large raise. I'm pretty amazed he called the river, I guess he put me on 98s or Q9s.



To all: I'm sorry about the choppiness. What happened was that I recorded it over the Camtasia file so I effectively had two Camtasia files running, which if you know the program, is going to take things out. I've heard of other peoples' videos being fine after this and I was told that this one was also and that I didn't need to re-do it. So for next time I'll be sure to hook it up right and that should take care of the choppiness. It also didn't allow me to properly tilt when the 8 hit the river in that hand when I had AQ!
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Old 09-01-2009, 04:26 AM
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My question:

the A8ss hand you turn into a bluff on the turn @ 14:35. Do you like this play on higher limits? I know it's quite gross on 1/2. People won't give you a lot of credit for a c/r on a flush hit, and I am quite confident that he's gonna shove a lot of semi draws here, he's not folding big clubs.

What do you think of the stacks? you've got 100$ left for a 300$ river pot if he flats, feels like a really nasty spot if he just calls the raise with for example QJ, Jc.
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