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Old 02-07-2010, 05:55 PM
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Video Description: In this video Reid plays 4 tables $200 NL 6-Max on Full Tilt. Reid discusses balancing and how reacting well to meta-game situations makes choosing a certain line the best choice. Reid also talks about how regulars react to your presence at the table and how we should counter-adjust.

Video Link: http://www.leggopoker.com/videos/training/672/

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Old 02-08-2010, 05:33 AM
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lol nice video but the part where you say wroom is gonna be one of the better regs because he plays 5/10..

he's not even a reg, hes a fish.. very unorthodox fish like 38/12 .. does some really weird check raise.. pretty bad.. almost never bets if he has something in the middle of total air or total nuts

tp weak kicker he check 3 street in pos
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Old 02-08-2010, 06:23 AM
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lol nice video but the part where you say wroom is gonna be one of the better regs because he plays 5/10..

he's not even a reg, hes a fish.. very unorthodox fish like 38/12 .. does some really weird check raise.. pretty bad.. almost never bets if he has something in the middle of total air or total nuts

tp weak kicker he check 3 street in pos
Hm, well ok. I was simply attempting to glean general reads from someone I don't play with a lot using the information I had at the time.
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Old 02-08-2010, 09:56 AM
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sorry i meant to say this so u can add him to your fish list and next time you wont lose value from him when you play him at 5/10
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Old 02-08-2010, 05:42 PM
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Standard. No questions. People want to get better or what? CMON
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Old 02-08-2010, 06:09 PM
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give me an hour ill post questions, i'm gonna get on the "question boat"
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Old 02-08-2010, 07:04 PM
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not to many crazy spots came up the entire video but there was one smaller spot i wanted to ask about/discuss.

UTG limps with i think 140, so 70bb's or so, and the big blind i think had about 100, and you overcalled J7ss otb after playing fairly aggressively.

Something i have been tinkering with in these spots is a smaller isolation based on the effective stacks when called. I.e. in this spot instead of 4x'ing you can 3x and still accomplish an isolation and have a larger pot to stack ratio on the flop. Even though it's just a 1 or 2 bb difference i think it's good vs those shorter but not short stacks as far as leaving 3 streets with more manuverable stack sizes.

What are your thoughts on this application? Am i overthinking isolation basd on effective stacks or is using this going to net me more money?

Also, i just don't like limping on the button, it makes me sad
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Old 02-08-2010, 07:40 PM
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First minute, you call a raise with KTo in the bb on table 1, and 3bet 75s on table 4. Doesn't the fact that the suited one gapper plays better with deeper stacks make you lean towards 3betting KTo more often than 75s, you agree? Also when you call with KTo OOP, which type of flops textures that you miss are you usually going to fight by c/r and/or leading?
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Old 02-08-2010, 09:16 PM
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not to many crazy spots came up the entire video but there was one smaller spot i wanted to ask about/discuss.

UTG limps with i think 140, so 70bb's or so, and the big blind i think had about 100, and you overcalled J7ss otb after playing fairly aggressively.

Something i have been tinkering with in these spots is a smaller isolation based on the effective stacks when called. I.e. in this spot instead of 4x'ing you can 3x and still accomplish an isolation and have a larger pot to stack ratio on the flop. Even though it's just a 1 or 2 bb difference i think it's good vs those shorter but not short stacks as far as leaving 3 streets with more manuverable stack sizes.

What are your thoughts on this application? Am i overthinking isolation basd on effective stacks or is using this going to net me more money?

Also, i just don't like limping on the button, it makes me sad
It's definitely something worth considering and I guess something I didn't mention in the video. I think the blinds, at least the one reg in the SB that hand who I said I thought I had seen playing PLO very aggressively might interpret a smaller raise size for what it was and 3 bet me lightly even more often than if I just made my standard raise size in that spot. I also, depending on how large he raises and how many of the limpers call, have the option of over-calling and closing out the action once it comes back to me if one of the blinds do decide to raise. This gives me the best relative position post-flop and position on both of the limpers regardless of how the blinds choose to play their hands.

So overall, it's an option, but I don't like it as much as what I chose.
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Old 02-08-2010, 09:26 PM
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First minute, you call a raise with KTo in the bb on table 1, and 3bet 75s on table 4. Doesn't the fact that the suited one gapper plays better with deeper stacks make you lean towards 3betting KTo more often than 75s, you agree? Also when you call with KTo OOP, which type of flops textures that you miss are you usually going to fight by c/r and/or leading?
75s is fine for either option IMO. However, readless and because it's my first hand at the table, I'm leaning towards 3-betting being the best choice in order to either take the pot down pre-flop or see a flop with the initiative where I would expect an unknown would have to give me a decent amount of credit.

I generally will call KTo out of position for a few reasons. The lesser important one (not demeaning your question or anything, this is just how I'd rank the reasons in order of importance) is the one that you brought up. If you 3-bet a hand like KTo, especially only 100bb effective, it's fairly unlikely that any hands you dominate are going to call your raise. You might reply, well ok, then why don't I just 3-bet everything since so many hands are folding, sir? The reason is that I think I can get more value from a hand like KTo in this position than from the folding equity I'm getting pre-flop by 3-betting it, not to mention the hassle of trying to navigate sticky spots out of position in re-raised pots out of position with basically no reads. So 3-betting seems bad here, IMO. If I knew he was caling 40% of 3-bets in position and folding a lot of flops or something along those lines, then go for it.

The more important reason is that I want some Kx hands in my range that can stand the heat of 3 barrels on a Kxx board. If you only have discounting KQ (because you 3-bet it some of the time) and KJ, then it's pretty likely that when you check and call a continuation bet on a Kxx board that you rarely have a good hand. This means that your opponent can value bet you extremely thinly and bluff you off the best hand fairly easily if the board gets scary for a middling hand. I also like to have a balanced floating or check-raising range (depending on the opponent and stack sizes) and KTo fits nicely into a range of hands I'd be calling out of position like QJ KJ Q9s sometimes, things like that in order to be able to credibly represent hands when I'm bluffing and to get paid when I'm valuebetting after draws miss.

This is pretty long-winded, but basically just made you like 300 buy ins I think.
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