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Old 09-06-2010, 01:46 PM
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Default steel108 - $100 NL (Part 2/3)

Video Description: In part 2 of Marvin's SSNL series he continues to punish opponents on 4 tables of $100 NL 6_Max on PokerStars. Marvin discusses playing against a narrow value range and getting the last bet in with fold equity with a marginal draw.

Video Link: http://www.leggopoker.com/videos/training/825/

Link To Part 1: http://www.leggopoker.com/videos/training/820/

Link To Part 3: http://www.leggopoker.com/videos/training/840/

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Old 09-06-2010, 03:08 PM
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Default Re: steel108 - $100 NL (Part 2/2)

will there be a part 3 ? it says 2/2 in the title
also, did you win with J7 the last hand ? )
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Old 09-06-2010, 08:18 PM
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Default Re: steel108 - $100 NL (Part 2/2)

About 2.5x-ing OTB. I obviously agree with what you said about calling 3bets, one can and should call more often 3bets after a 2.5x or 2x raise, but when you said "there's no reason for 2.5x ing and still call the same %", I guess you still lose less when you're raise/folding and give blinds poorer risk/reward and a greater SPR when OOP in a 3bet pot, so that should induce more calls than 3bets from them.

Again I agree with everything else you said, you should defend more often to 3bets given position and greater SPR, just wanted to point out that there is still some good reasons to 2.5x OTB even if defending more often is just better.
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Old 09-06-2010, 08:26 PM
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Default Re: steel108 - $100 NL (Part 2/2)

Also about the AJ hand vs ken when we get c/red on K64r, if you think you don't know his tendancies enough to call, how do you feel about 3betting ? It's gross, but if he's not good anough to recognize he's not repping anything, maybe he won't realize that you're not repping anything either by 3betting and won't do anything about it.

And even if he somewhat get this I don't think he's gonna randomly 4b shove JT or w/e.
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Old 09-08-2010, 12:24 AM
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Default Re: steel108 - $100 NL (Part 2/2)

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will there be a part 3 ? it says 2/2 in the title
My apologizes, yes there will be a part 3!
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:27 PM
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Default Re: steel108 - $100 NL (Part 2/3)

This video was made on June 1st so sorry if the stuff isn't fresh in my head. There is one thing though that is REALLY important if you are to take something from this video:

Raising with a draw that has no showdown value (or very little)

In the video, I 3B a garbage hand bb vs button (a mistake) and villan defends w A9s.

Villan flops an OESD and raises small; this is a mistake, but I'll use a better example to illustrate.

We raise preflop to 2.5x on the button w T9hh and get 3B from the blind to 9.5bb and we obviously call since we are a huge calling station. The flop comes 723hh and villan CB half pot (for an illustration, villan bets 44 into an 80 flop). We raise villans CB (might be good, might be bad, but not the point) to 100. THIS IS REALLY BAD.

You might be asking yourself why this is bad since we are giving ourselves a good price on a bluff. I agree we are giving ourselves that, but why not save that for our bluffs (pure bluffs). With that small of a raise size, are we really trying to induce a bluff? Shit, his bluffs beat T high (most of the time). Once we raise, we have to call. If we induced villan to bluff shove AQo, WE MADE A HUGE MISTAKE. We called our stack off with T high and villan got his money in good.

I learned this the hard way a few months ago. I CB w a K high FD and an aggro villan raised me. I am so smart that I made a small reraise and he bluff shoved over the top. SWEET, but guess what, his A high was ahead and it held. When I reviewed the hand after my session, I realized I made the mistake, not him. Moral of the story and video: if you are raising small with a draw, make sure you can beat his bluffs; if not, either call and play the turn/river OR raise an amount where villan won't bluff shove since you look committed. In the example I gave, if we had A7hh, AQhh, etc... raising small isn't bad; he will ship worse draws, we are doing well equity wise versus his value range, and we are ahead of his bluffs. Hopefully, you can see the difference. I think this pretty basic now, but I played a hand 2 days ago with a reg I thought was good who made the same mistake; thankfully, I shoved the A high and it held versus his 9 high (flush draw).
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Old 09-10-2010, 04:26 PM
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Default Re: steel108 - $100 NL (Part 2/3)

Not sure I like your example as even if villain has AQ to our 109s we are 50%
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Old 09-10-2010, 04:31 PM
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Default Re: steel108 - $100 NL (Part 2/3)

Just ran the numbers now. We are actually 55% favourite.
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Old 09-14-2010, 08:28 AM
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Just ran the numbers now. We are actually 55% favourite.
yes, but if you factor in our FE our equity increases when we raise bigger.
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Old 09-14-2010, 01:00 PM
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Default Re: steel108 - $100 NL (Part 2/3)

Hey Steel great vid

I also had a question about the AJ hand, I've only recently started recognizing spots like this but I'm having trouble adjusting, i dont know what adjustments to make or what kind of things I should know about the opponent before making those adjustments

Like in the video you say you dont know enough about this player to call the check raise on the flop, what would you need to know? And then what would your adjustment be?

Thanks!
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