The_End - $400 NL

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Video Description: In this video Denny plays 4 tables of $400 NL 6-Max on Full Tilt. Denny discusses strategy on excluding nut hands from villains range by putting himself in their shoes and acting accordingly. He also discusses donk betting certain flops and why to continue aggressively when called.

Video Link: http://www.leggopoker.com/videos/training/530/

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[MartijnP]

Great solid vid. The End!
Nice hand with pocket AA.

[Beans]

OMG EPIC!
Great you liked it Martino!

[Probability]

Video was great.

[klink-]

the TT hand where you open utg and flat a fairly large utg+1 3bet oop seems really marginal, im not sure what you are trying to acomplish with the flat considering he probably isn't 3betting that wide there, and there isn't any portion of his range that you are doing well against (i.e. if he really is 3betting AQ there, which is pretty bad imo, you still aren't doing great vs. the bottom of his 3bet for value range). post flop, i think your turn bet is okay, but the river bet is pretty bad if you are really expecting him to call down 2 streets with A high in a 3bet pot, i doubt he peels turn with AK/AQ anyways, seeing as he bets all fds on the flop he really only has between 0-6 outs on that turn when you lead.

[JamesMa]

"Just won 2 hours in the backroom. Ship it." Legendary

In the QdTd hand where you donk and get raised, I think I like just flatting and checkshoving the turn a lot. If we had a nut flush draw I think its better to maybe just get it on the flop since you dominate more draws but hes going to have air a ton and giving him a chance to barrel / protect or balance when you donkcall with a marginally strong hand on the flop.

[PlsTilt]

15:50 mins, 79dd hand.

I like your turn bet, I prefer betting the turn over checking.
What I don't do often is follow through with the bluff on the river.

I am curious to what you perceive his turn c/c range to be, does it contain hands like KQ with Ks and AQ with As, does it contain JJ+ ? He seems to open tight from UTG, so when we get called on the turn and the river blanks, what do you expect to fold out? How often do you expect him to fold AT/ JJ / QQ? Your shove needs to work 50% of the time, so he needs to fold half of his range. Is it still better than checking back on this river ? I think we are good quite a nice % of the time vs his OC's + FD.
What would you do on a spade river? Would you bluff that one too?


39 mins, A9ss

You get dealt A9ss on the small blind, BB and BTN are 900$ effective. You decide to fold. Why?
What is your range for defending from the SB here? (what to do with KJo, ATo, ATs)

I like flatting here because Kaybash will be less likely to squeeze light with deeper stacks (much more likely to get called and play a big pot OOP). If you're not flatting, I don't mind 3betting it.
The main disadvantage for 3betting is that it's easy to confuse for a valuehand postflop. But the suited ace and the blockers for 99 and Ax make me like it.

1hr, the replayer hand.

I am not a deep expert, but I really do feel you butchered the TT's. Could you try to dig more into his range and how you would have liked to play it in hindsight?

I would not perceive your range as JJ / 99 / TT when you c/c flop, db turn. I would rather read it like weirdness. When you peel preflop you can be on several suited hands and with 200bb stacks he can expect you to have quite some suited stuff.
Secondly, what do you expect to be in his range? You mention KJ, KK, etc. But he does squeeze often, he's in position and UTG seems to be really loose and you (UTG+1) are not some sort of fish. Therefore I would probably have a rather polarized range here and not squeeze KJ / AJ type hands (it becomes a mess when UTG calls and UTG+1 is priced in). A polarized range with a really high air:nut ratio. I would have a bunch of suited cards in there, J8s / J9s / 34s / 45s type hands.
As played it feels like the K is a great card for him to bluffshove. Would you donkbet turn, check river with nutted hands like JJ / 99 ?
Even if you would, and he does read you as you expect, he should shove all his bluffs, straights and big sets and check back all his Jx / AJ / KJ type hands. Your perceived range of TT,99,JJ holds 6 combinations of TT and 3 JJ, 3 99 so on a bluff he needs you to fold 50% of your range and TT is exactly 50% of the hands you have when he puts you on TT/JJ/99 exactly.
If villain has a draw he can play it perfectly the way it roled out now, he cbets the flop, calls the donkbet with implied odds and bluffshoves the river ultimate scarecard.

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Originally Posted by klink-

the TT hand where you open utg and flat a fairly large utg+1 3bet oop seems really marginal, im not sure what you are trying to acomplish with the flat considering he probably isn't 3betting that wide there, and there isn't any portion of his range that you are doing well against (i.e. if he really is 3betting AQ there, which is pretty bad imo, you still aren't doing great vs. the bottom of his 3bet for value range). post flop, i think your turn bet is okay, but the river bet is pretty bad if you are really expecting him to call down 2 streets with A high in a 3bet pot, i doubt he peels turn with AK/AQ anyways, seeing as he bets all fds on the flop he really only has between 0-6 outs on that turn when you lead.

It is definitely a marginal spot, but part of the value comes from him checking down AK or some marginal hand that he 3b light with that picks up some SD value and he doesn't expect to bet me of better. Or he bets flop and gives up. Or just basic setvalue. Like I said though, it's really marginal, and I would snapfold 99 in the same spot. I just think that TT is the hand that I can defend there.

Postflop I agree with river having thought about it more. It's better to c/f

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Originally Posted by JamesMa

"Just won 2 hours in the backroom. Ship it." Legendary

In the QdTd hand where you donk and get raised, I think I like just flatting and checkshoving the turn a lot. If we had a nut flush draw I think its better to maybe just get it on the flop since you dominate more draws but hes going to have air a ton and giving him a chance to barrel / protect or balance when you donkcall with a marginally strong hand on the flop.

Meh I don't think in this spot there's that big of a difference between my FD and the NFD, because we're always getting draw vs draws in, whether it's on the flop or the turn.

But calling flop and c/shoving turn seems like a decent line too. Although it can be risky if he picks up something on the turn and checks it back, or he simply gives up thinking we're gonna c/shove the turn so often when we bet/call the flop.

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Originally Posted by PlsTilt

15:50 mins, 79dd hand.

I like your turn bet, I prefer betting the turn over checking.
What I don't do often is follow through with the bluff on the river.

I am curious to what you perceive his turn c/c range to be, does it contain hands like KQ with Ks and AQ with As, does it contain JJ+ ? He seems to open tight from UTG, so when we get called on the turn and the river blanks, what do you expect to fold out? How often do you expect him to fold AT/ JJ / QQ? Your shove needs to work 50% of the time, so he needs to fold half of his range. Is it still better than checking back on this river ? I think we are good quite a nice % of the time vs his OC's + FD.
What would you do on a spade river? Would you bluff that one too?


39 mins, A9ss

You get dealt A9ss on the small blind, BB and BTN are 900$ effective. You decide to fold. Why?
What is your range for defending from the SB here? (what to do with KJo, ATo, ATs)

I like flatting here because Kaybash will be less likely to squeeze light with deeper stacks (much more likely to get called and play a big pot OOP). If you're not flatting, I don't mind 3betting it.
The main disadvantage for 3betting is that it's easy to confuse for a valuehand postflop. But the suited ace and the blockers for 99 and Ax make me like it.

1hr, the replayer hand.

I am not a deep expert, but I really do feel you butchered the TT's. Could you try to dig more into his range and how you would have liked to play it in hindsight?

I would not perceive your range as JJ / 99 / TT when you c/c flop, db turn. I would rather read it like weirdness. When you peel preflop you can be on several suited hands and with 200bb stacks he can expect you to have quite some suited stuff.
Secondly, what do you expect to be in his range? You mention KJ, KK, etc. But he does squeeze often, he's in position and UTG seems to be really loose and you (UTG+1) are not some sort of fish. Therefore I would probably have a rather polarized range here and not squeeze KJ / AJ type hands (it becomes a mess when UTG calls and UTG+1 is priced in). A polarized range with a really high air:nut ratio. I would have a bunch of suited cards in there, J8s / J9s / 34s / 45s type hands.
As played it feels like the K is a great card for him to bluffshove. Would you donkbet turn, check river with nutted hands like JJ / 99 ?
Even if you would, and he does read you as you expect, he should shove all his bluffs, straights and big sets and check back all his Jx / AJ / KJ type hands. Your perceived range of TT,99,JJ holds 6 combinations of TT and 3 JJ, 3 99 so on a bluff he needs you to fold 50% of your range and TT is exactly 50% of the hands you have when he puts you on TT/JJ/99 exactly.
If villain has a draw he can play it perfectly the way it roled out now, he cbets the flop, calls the donkbet with implied odds and bluffshoves the river ultimate scarecard.

Great post, makes me think deeply about stuff which is good

With 79dd I think he's c/c overpairs (esp with spades), AsTo hands and perhaps something like QsJo. The nice thing about a turnbet is that 1.) we can bluff the river if we want to (more on that later) and 2.) we protect our hands vs X outs (KsQo hands have a ton of equity but don't necessarily barrel this turn when called 3way on the flop).

About the riverbluff. I am almost certain that she is folding AT/JJ+ hands, because for her to call there she has to put me on a made hand turned into a bluff immediately once she checks to me on the turn and it's just not something I see a lot of players do. I wouldn't bluff a spade because if I shove a random spade my valuerange is NFD and boats only and probably get called lighter + her riverrange is stronger I think on a spade.

39min A9s:
If I were deep myself I would flat for sure, but since I'm only 100bb and gophersque is a nitty type of player who loves to play back at me I didn't want to tangle this time. ATo and ATs and KJo I flat or 3b.

TT:
I'm not a deep expert either, and also felt like I butchered the hand, which is why we talked about it alot in Vegas and also included it in the vid.

I really do not know what the optimal line is tbh, but I do know that he also 3bets KJ/AJ type of hands there, just to 3b it.

My line is weird, but usually if I take a weird line I have it, because it doesn't really make sense to take a weird line as a bluff, because it's suspicious. The river is the perfect bluffcard, so when I check I know I'm going to lose pretty much no matter what he has, but of all the horrible options I have, c/f might the best.

How would you rather play the hand?