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Originally Posted by Donkadocus
Watched it yesterday.
Great commentary, although I was really disappointed this hand didn't feature because I thought my flop raise, turn check, river shove was fairly interesting.
$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars
5 Players
Stacks:
UTG plzsuckout ( $9.10)
CO rockets2386 ($10)
BTN Hero ($10)
SB EyeAmFirReel ($10.05)
BB SpeedUp2 ($11.55)
Pre-Flop: ( $0.15, 5 players) Hero is BTN A  10 
1 fold, rockets2386 raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, EyeAmFirReel calls $0.25, SpeedUp2 calls $0.20
Flop: 10  9 3 ( $1.20, 4 players)
EyeAmFirReel checks, SpeedUp2 checks, rockets2386 bets $0.80, Hero raises to $2.50, EyeAmFirReel folds, SpeedUp2 folds, rockets2386 calls $1.70
Turn: 7 ( $6.20, 2 players)
rockets2386 checks, Hero checks
River: 4  ( $6.20, 2 players)
rockets2386 checks, Hero goes all-in $7.20, rockets2386 goes all-in $7.20
Final Pot: $20.60
rockets2386 shows
K 9
Hero shows a pair of Tens
A 10
Hero wins $19.60 (net +$9.60) |
In PFR's spot it's a bet-fold w/ K9 if he chooses to bet it. The better question is should he even bet the flop, and the answer is "no" unless there is a mega fish in the pot. the open in the CO is standard w/ K9s, but the problem w/ the flop is that you don't really want to felt your hand + there isn't a lot of value. Sometimes it's not worth protecting your equity; this is a case the board is so dry I wouldn't worry about spazzing out over middle pair. Once raised, situationally villain raised TP for value (to play for stacks); this widens their figurative nut range to more than just "33/T9", which would be the conventional nut range. (Given overpairs, tt, 99, 3bet a lot pf and most Ts don't raise->to get it in)
Anyway, the gist if 4way your hand is somewhat protected in that it's hard to envision someone running a bluff with 2 people to act. Further, there are fewer draws they could be jacking it up (QJ, J8, 87) and the fact there are people remaining means the frequency someone is going to slowplay those bigger hands goes down. Also, those 2 semibluffs have considerable equity; if you have something like AA, those draws have ~33%. Here QJ is much closer to a coinflip and J8 has the pair out too.
The idea is to check the flop, have button bet and call, unless someone from the field C/rs (i'd then fold, you saved yourself a cbet) or it checks through, which means now you can play a manageable pot and attempt to get to showdown without playing the bluffcatching game w/ K9)
If the button bets, their value range will be wider, but it also allows them to have a much wider pure air range. (If you bet takes the play away from most people, sans the spazzy ones)
Once you're on the river, I'd be confused by what villain has. Normally anything with value probably gets it in one the turn (whether they installment or just overshove) so the check back is strange. J8 did get there (1 of the 3 draws) but at least they could be bluffing. Once here, I think the call is fine. Again, the mistake is just getting to the turn in this fashion..
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This hand (first hand of the video) I absolutely hated the river because I though nut flush draws were a big part of his range. I think I was betting any non ace, non queen, non spade.
$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars
6 Players
Stacks:
UTG rockets2386 ($10.80)
UTG+1 plzsuckout ($22.95)
CO Hero ($15.40)
BTN EyeAmFirReel ($19.60)
SB SpeedUp2 ($28.15)
BB Max_and_Me1 ($6.30)
Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is CO 10 J
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, EyeAmFirReel calls $0.30, 2 folds
Flop: Q 7 9 ($0.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, EyeAmFirReel calls $0.60
Turn: Q ($1.95, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.60, EyeAmFirReel calls $1.60
River: A ($5.15, 2 players)
Hero checks, EyeAmFirReel checks
Final Pot: $5.15
Hero shows a pair of Queens
10 J
EyeAmFirReel shows two pair, Aces and Queens
A 7
EyeAmFirReel wins $4.90 (net +$2.40)
Hero lost $2.50
I also think earlier in the session he would have folded A7 on the turn but I had been caught barelling quite a lot and people started to bluff catch me a lot - like this:
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Hmm, this is a well-played hand. You expect a lot of draws that are in villain's smoothing range to go away on the turn (like KT or the same hand) and you have tons of equity vs the middle/under pairs which may fold, too. Once called you have to credit them for a strong draw, Q, or sometimes/rarely a paranoid/CSy middle/bottom pair. The A is a fine bluff card vs those, but thats the bottom/small part of their range. So sometimes bluffing here (3rd barrel) is fine, but the give up is fine too.
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$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars
5 Players
Stacks:
UTG EyeAmFirReel ($10.15)
CO SpeedUp2 ($11.60)
BTN plzsuckout ($32.90)
SB rockets2386 ($23.15)
BB Hero ($24)
Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 5 players) Hero is BB Q J
1 fold, SpeedUp2 raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.20
Flop: 3 2 K ($0.65, 2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, SpeedUp2 calls $0.50
Turn: K ($1.65, 2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, SpeedUp2 calls $1.30
River: 3 ($4.25, 2 players)
Hero bets $3.30, SpeedUp2 says "what", SpeedUp2 calls $3.30
Final Pot: $10.85
Hero shows two pair, Kings and Threes
Q J
SpeedUp2 shows two pair, Kings and Eights
8 8
SpeedUp2 wins $10.35 (net +$4.95)
Hero lost $5.40
I guess the 3 was a bad card for the 3rd bullet but I really thought I could get a pair to fold.
I also think it would have been funny to quickly show some of the pre-flop all ins. There were some super-light shoves and even lighter calls.
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The reason you don't get any respect here is you're leading into the pfr. I would never expect a pair to fold given the board; maybe not even ace high. It's hard for opponents to put a villain on an impromptu leading range, but if I'm in villain's shoes, I don't think you'd have that many 2x or 3x in your pfr nor strong kings given our positions. Makes it a not great donk spot...
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