Zaza - $200 NL Part 3

[TheStudent]

28:25 table 4

Do you c-bet with the J of spades? And if you c-bet, turn is spade, river is blank, what do you do? If you c-bet, turn is blank, do you just give up, or c-bet one more street to let him fold pp's below Kx?

35:00 table 6

You 3-bet JJ vs BTN open with fish behind because he folds to 3-bets a lot (which makes it hard to get value right?), and because your hand is too vulnerable. I agree with this. But what I don't get in that case, is for example if MP opens and you have JJ in blinds. I do get this is because his range is stronger and it's harder to get value, but your hand is still vulnerable if you call right? Or is it simply that 3-betting JJ vs BTN is more +ev than calling, and vs MP calling is more +ev than 3-betting? (hope my question is clear, don't really know how to explain it)

40:20 table 3

Why don't you c-bet with overcards and backdoor flushdraw? Is that because even though you have good equity, you don't have enough fold equity to justify a bet?

47:00 table 6

What about turning our hand into a bluff on the turn+river to let him fold pairs weaker than Kx?

Did learn a lot, again

[Zaza]

Originally Posted by TheStudent

6:30 with set 44

You say raise and get it in, most of the time vs an overpair like AA/KK. I don't get that at all, because he is going to bet that overpair on the turn anyways, and might fold the flop if you 4-bet. So with calling you get the same result vs overpairs as with 4-betting. If you call and he has for example AK/AQ that decides to bluf, he can hit the turn, and give his chips to you, which wouldn't happen if you 4-bet the flop. What do you think about this? I know you said in vid you could have called, but didn't convince me it's ''w/e''.

First of all, I dont think I see fish 3bet flops as a bluff very often, or at all in general.If there were a flop I could slowplay this one certainly was one of em.I generally prefer to fastplay my big hands vs fish in these situations, cos they are so much more likely to overplay good top pairs or even their overpairs.
A hand like 1010 jj qq isnt gonna stack off on some turn river runouts and I dont want him to get away from any of those hands.When I look back to his sizing though, it definitely looks very suspiscious and its more likely to be a bluff than not, but overall I still believe 4betting this flop is better than just calling vs fish.My sizing should have been smaller tho, just to give em some more rope.


7:50 table 3

You 3-bet ''because his fold to 3-bet is high'', and plan to folding to a 4-bet. So basically you 3-bet to take the pot down and see a flop. Why not use other hands that flop better equity if called? Imo you should only 3bet small pairs if your plan is to 5betjam.

When u 3bet someone who folds 78% to 3bets, im definitely gonna choose a better range to 5bet jam.I think that jamming pps vs this type of player would be a mistake and totally unnecessary.
Basically it doesnt really matter what u 3bet as long as its not too weak of hands like 92s or sth, I would go for a very polarized range here overall.The good part about this is with his high fold to 3b Im gonna be profiting with this 3bet all day.



9:10 table 1

What is your plan on later streets? I also raise in this spot a lot. A bit too weak to call, but you got same outs if you raise him and get called. I am always lost after that, so would like to hear your plan

It looks like the guy was a fishier opponent and I expect those to have alot of complete airballs here, or some type of pair plus a spade or overcard with spades in them.I would prolly bluff all runouts that turn an over.I dont think bluffing spades is gonna be a good plan.
In general though, as far as raising donkbets goes u should be very polarized if u are playing regulars, but vs fish u can go for thinner value and get away with raising oesd and those kind of hands, since their donking ranges are so much wider.I wouldnt raise an oesd vs a regular cos I would be more likely to get 3bet bluffed or 3bet for value on the flop, which wouldnt be the best for us.

10:10 table 6

You check behind, I guess with the intention of calling a turn bet, but what is your plan on the river if he bets? So basically, when you check behind a hand with showdown value, what factors are you taking into consideration for later streets?

I didnt cbet that flop cos i was going to get ch r a certain % of the time and it would put me in a tough spot.In my experience players often just lead the turn and give up on the river with their bluffs.NOt saying they should but this is a recurrent theme that players arent using the bet bet line when hero checks back flop as a bluff.I m calling every turn almost and reevaluating river.How u are gonna perceive depends on what u think of that particular villain.Some obviously will be bluffing but it seems like the vast majority doesnt.
I cant go into too much detail, sorry that would be a whole chapter about different board run outs and flop textures, but in alot of these situations, I think cbetting the weaker part of ur range is best. hands like bottom pair usually since u wont be able to get them to showdown very often and ur opponents equity is gonna be too big.So use the way behind or way ahead strategy as well in these spots.



16:30 table 4

What is your plan when you call that turn on the river? It is a drawy board, turn brings overcard, so I suppose you get 3barreled a lot here, which will lead to ugly spots, so why not just fold the turn? Or do you think people don't barrel enough and you can safely fold river if he bets again?

So basically when you decide to call a turn like this, what factors do you take into consideration about your plan on the river?

U gotta take into consideration their cbet % and their opening range in these spots.If a guy cbets too wide , hands with no equity all the time, he s gonna show up with way too many bluffcombos on turns and in that case we have a very easy turn call.Even though it is an overcard u gotta consider he opens soooooo wide from the sb and cbets this flop almost 100% with his airballs and will bluff the turn.
IN my overall experience people just do not 3barrel enough as a bluff, most ppl and especially those who have a really bad cbet range are gonna be those who show up with k3 k4 in these spots and wont have the heart to bluff the river.I imagine ppl dnt 3barrel bluff at nl50 or lower or nl100 , or rather even less.



I like the video, esp because you try to explain a lot what your plan is on later streets, and I like that a lot.

sorry for the delay, forgot about them questions:P

[Zaza]

Originally Posted by TheStudent

28:25 table 4

Do you c-bet with the J of spades? And if you c-bet, turn is spade, river is blank, what do you do? If you c-bet, turn is blank, do you just give up, or c-bet one more street to let him fold pp's below Kx?

sorry cant find the spot.^^

35:00 table 6

You 3-bet JJ vs BTN open with fish behind because he folds to 3-bets a lot (which makes it hard to get value right?), and because your hand is too vulnerable. I agree with this. But what I don't get in that case, is for example if MP opens and you have JJ in blinds. I do get this is because his range is stronger and it's harder to get value, but your hand is still vulnerable if you call right? Or is it simply that 3-betting JJ vs BTN is more +ev than calling, and vs MP calling is more +ev than 3-betting? (hope my question is clear, don't really know how to explain it)

To make it pretty simple, vs the button im gonna be able to profitably get it in preflop and vs most mp
openers that choose to 4bet I wont.This is the biggest factor, since u dont wanna 3bet fold jj preflop really.Calling jj in sb with a fish behind isnt that great either cos ur hand is too vulnberable to be played 3way, I could see myslef flat kk AA tho.


40:20 table 3

Why don't you c-bet with overcards and backdoor flushdraw? Is that because even though you have good equity, you don't have enough fold equity to justify a bet?

Yes, I agree , this board just hits him too often , but if i were to cbet it should be one where u 3barrel.

47:00 table 6

What about turning our hand into a bluff on the turn+river to let him fold pairs weaker than Kx?

Thinking he will fold any king or bigger pairs like 10s 99 jj qq is just not gonna happen.His range is so wide tho that i think check calling is gonna show the biggest profit overall.As u saw he did float with the j9o and fish always do on these dry low flops, so ur hand is definitely good enough.This is mainyl due to his ridiculously wide pre and post flop range.

Did learn a lot, again

hope this cleared everything up.