Zaza - Lite #25

[Zaza]

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Link To Hand: http://www.leggopoker.com/forums/sma...oop-15956.html

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[arturboruc]

good video. striaght to the point and explains the hand v well.

lets say we had AK here, what would we be thinking?

[Probability]

Zaza is on vacation and will respond when he returns.

[Zaza]

Hi Artur, I'd be betting the turn with ak in this spot for value, given the fact there are enough hands in his turn calling range that we beat and are still going to continue calling.I dont there s much value to be had in riverjam though just because hes going to fold all the hands that called turn by turning more equity but didnt improve on the river.So the river is a check fold unless he realizes I got no check calling range on the river and would adapt by shoving his whole range.However this shouldnt be a big consideration for u since most nl100/200 regs in this spot never check fold hand like aj ak (for the wrong reasons) and for those reasons I dont think a lot regs will bluff here but will rather take the check back.

[2Ciaran2]

Hi Zaza. Hope you're still reading this. How much would you cb, in a 3b pot, on a wet flop like 9hJhKc or 8hThJc? Do you still 1/2 pot, or do you pot? I always struggle in these spots as i feel 1/2 pot isn't enough, in between makes awkward stacks, and pot seems like too much\ gives a bad price on the cb. Is cbing 2/3 then overbeting the turn 1.5x an option? Thanks.

[Zaza]

Originally Posted by 2Ciaran2

Hi Zaza. Hope you're still reading this. How much would you cb, in a 3b pot, on a wet flop like 9hJhKc or 8hThJc? Do you still 1/2 pot, or do you pot? I always struggle in these spots as i feel 1/2 pot isn't enough, in between makes awkward stacks, and pot seems like too much\ gives a bad price on the cb. Is cbing 2/3 then overbeting the turn 1.5x an option? Thanks.

Hey man, unless I am playing a recreational player I would cbet half pot, since these are usually very good spots to 3barrel as players are very often going to raise their very strong hands on the flop but are going to be able to call 2 streets pretty often having a pair plus some kind of weak draw, so they will end up call call folding quite a bit.So on for example an xH turn he s going to be calling the turn and folding the river with alot of flop floats or pairs that turn a fd to their pair or flop gutshot and backdoor fd.A very important concept and sth u need to be careful with here is that u need to have a plan before cbetting those type of boards, cos either u 3barrel or ch f em is going to be the best play very often.Eventually, by jamming the turn u enable ur opponent to play pretty well vs ur range overall as he s going to be calling with alot of good hands and fold hi mediocre ones, in other words u r making it easier for em to play vs u.

[2Ciaran2]

thanks for the reply, sounds good. what type of boards would you pot? would you pot monotone boards?

[Zaza]

Originally Posted by 2Ciaran2

thanks for the reply, sounds good. what type of boards would you pot? would you pot monotone boards?

I dont think I really have a potting range unless the guy is a huge drooler, and I think his calling range is inelastic.Monotone boards tho could be one of those in the following situation, lets say a fish limps and a regular isoraises him to 4-5x pre i will 3bet , and the stack to pot ratio will be much smaller so in that spot i would defi go with a bigger cbet lookin to shove the turn.

[Prologion]

Originally Posted by Zaza

Hey man, unless I am playing a recreational player I would cbet half pot, since these are usually very good spots to 3barrel as players are very often going to raise their very strong hands on the flop but are going to be able to call 2 streets pretty often having a pair plus some kind of weak draw, so they will end up call call folding quite a bit.So on for example an xH turn he s going to be calling the turn and folding the river with alot of flop floats or pairs that turn a fd to their pair or flop gutshot and backdoor fd.A very important concept and sth u need to be careful with here is that u need to have a plan before cbetting those type of boards, cos either u 3barrel or ch f em is going to be the best play very often.Eventually, by jamming the turn u enable ur opponent to play pretty well vs ur range overall as he s going to be calling with alot of good hands and fold hi mediocre ones, in other words u r making it easier for em to play vs u.

reading this in accident b/c i was searching for another lite form you, but wanna comment here:

I have talked with many ppl about that,
and many strong players prefer to half PS for eff. ~100BB your whole range vs. REGs on every board, unless on 3-card-coordinated-Boards like J9Ts, JT8s, T97s, QJ9s...

Here it makes some sense to go for a 2-street-plan to also protect you EQ with your valuerange and bomb the flop and (slightly over)Jam the turn as a 2ndbarell, with your whole range (also bluffs).

[Zaza]

I dont think Ive ever said anything else I think some other specialists here think its bad to half pot in 3bet pots.