flippity - Playing Deep Part 3

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Simon plays 6 deep $100 NL 6-Max tables on Stars while discussing 4-bet bluffing, paying attention to stack sizes and dynamics. He battles some regs and also talks about taking certain lines with the right hands.
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rewket saw winrate and 4 massive spew hands, that breakeven regfish always play the same way, in the first 10secs, stopped video.

Seriously?
jjooeeyy 11.30 ~ Table 2 you flat A9o BB vs SB. Flop comes 2K9ss, villain cbet, you call. Turn is a 6, villain bets again and you elected to fold. Could you expand a little on why you folded here? To me it just seems like we can make alot of arguments for calling. He is gonna barrel any flushdraw, most likely any hand that picked up EQ on the turn like 78,T8,75 etc and probably all his JT,QT,QJ etc. And he could for sure be vbeting a worse 9 then u. Do you agree/disagree with what I said here?

Liked the video, hope to see more of this from u!
Falber I love your others videos, but i have to say that one wasn't really on the same level.

6 (8 or 9 ?) tables in a live video are too much, for me. Specially on deep tables where the dynamic are more aggro and deep spots need deeper commentary than a live video allow (for obv reasons, like when you think range are really unbalanced and you may tell us how to adjust blabla).



My 2 cents and I hope my english is good enough. :)
flippity
saw winrate and 4 massive spew hands, that breakeven regfish always play the same way, in the first 10secs, stopped video.

Seriously?


Did u see 4 massive spew hands in the first 10 seconds? I would love to explain my reasoning to you, but you dont give me an oportunity really. Elaborate and i would love to answer.

Regards.
flippity
I love your others videos, but i have to say that one wasn't really on the same level.

6 (8 or 9 ?) tables in a live video are too much, for me. Specially on deep tables where the dynamic are more aggro and deep spots need deeper commentary than a live video allow (for obv reasons, like when you think range are really unbalanced and you may tell us how to adjust blabla).



My 2 cents and I hope my english is good enough. :)

Yo man, i am happy u like my other vids. About this one:
You are welcome to pause the video at any point and take your time thinking about spots, so 6 tables should be manageable :-)
I obv cant elaborate as much as i did in previous videos, but i dont necessarily think thats bad (it could induce some discussion), and i really dont think i can make a series about deep play without the occasional live sweat.
I also wanted to talk about some topics in-game, which i expected to give u a deeper understanding of how to approach playing deep.
vinivici9586 great that someone's making a deep vid. in the future, i think it'd be better to do the voice recording afterwards, and have maybe one slot for the replayer. it got a little bit difficult to follow the action and stuff.
jjooeeyy Just a small thing I remembered from the video that I forgot to ask. U opened to like 4.5bb UTG. That just seemd huuge since your range still seems to be pretty loose from UTG. What is the reason for this?
flippity
Just a small thing I remembered from the video that I forgot to ask. U opened to like 4.5bb UTG. That just seemd huuge since your range still seems to be pretty loose from UTG. What is the reason for this?


Hm, its not that big considering theres already 2.5$ in the pot, also my range isnt as loose as u might think (it is actually very close to a std 100bb opening range).
jjooeeyy
Hm, its not that big considering theres already 2.5$ in the pot, also my range isnt as loose as u might think (it is actually very close to a std 100bb opening range).


Is this a standard openingsize if being deep? I have never seen it before so it made me a little corious.
flippity In general you can (and mostly should) make it a lil bigger preflop with deep stacks, so yeah, its kinda standard.
jjooeeyy 5 min ~ Table 2 you have KJo in SB facing BTN open. It took me alot of time to actually learn how to play these hands preflop 100bbs deep. And now, 200bbs+ everything is basically new to me. So I wonder in general how u play hands like KJo,AJo,ATo,QJo etc when facing eithe a BTN or a CO open when being in the SB. I know that it obv depends alot on who is opening, but I would just like to hear your general approach to it.

7,30 min ~ Table 5 you open T9s in MP, BTN and BB calls. Flop comes 69Qr, BB checks and you elect to check aswell. I just wonder what your strategy is going to be for the hand. Because when I check in spots like this I really have no clue how to continue. So would be glad to hear what goes through your mind when u check here. Also, if I thought that it was likely that the players behind we would call draws instead of raising them, do u think its better to make a valuebet/protectionbet instead of checking?

edit: Btw u have forgot to answer a questioin I wrote earlier. But it's np!
flippity
5 min ~ Table 2 you have KJo in SB facing BTN open. It took me alot of time to actually learn how to play these hands preflop 100bbs deep. And now, 200bbs+ everything is basically new to me. So I wonder in general how u play hands like KJo,AJo,ATo,QJo etc when facing eithe a BTN or a CO open when being in the SB. I know that it obv depends alot on who is opening, but I would just like to hear your general approach to it.

7,30 min ~ Table 5 you open T9s in MP, BTN and BB calls. Flop comes 69Qr, BB checks and you elect to check aswell. I just wonder what your strategy is going to be for the hand. Because when I check in spots like this I really have no clue how to continue. So would be glad to hear what goes through your mind when u check here. Also, if I thought that it was likely that the players behind we would call draws instead of raising them, do u think its better to make a valuebet/protectionbet instead of checking?

edit: Btw u have forgot to answer a questioin I wrote earlier. But it's np!


I like to keep the pot small oop with offsuit hands, and the fact that people open like 60%+ of buttons makes that easier for me (as i can call profitably), the only thing which is gonna keep me from it obv would be a squeeze-happy player in the BB, in which case i would sometimes 3bet myself or actually just fold pre.

The T9s-hand, i am usually gonna make a decision on how well people can vbet on certain textures, and then decide to check-call them (if they are not gonna vbet well) or bet myself (thats usually my preferred option, but it makes the turn hard to play).
In that particular spot i think as the button is likely to bet a pretty weak range, and can expect me to ch/fold a bunch easily, check-calling once or twice is gonna work reasonably well, and the BB has to turn his hand face-up before i act, or i will see a free card and now only have to worry about the BBs range anymore. The fact that i cant rep anything on turns and rivers doesnt hurt me too much in this spot, as the button has problems repping anything either (and might bluff some cards that improve me), cause his range is horribly wide and he can only really vbet Qx or better on flop and most turns.

In general:
Boards like TJQ, 97T are always reasonable to take take the more passive approach, and i would do it with some top pair hands as well, which means that people basically cant vbet very thinly (only good top pair or better), and are gonna polarize their ranges while actually having too many bluffs (due to their calling-ranges preflop in deep games).
As a rule of thumb, when you dont know how to handle a raise, just keep the pot small in a deep situation, and if youre worried about turning your hand face-up just mix in some slowplays and see how people react (for example on Q96r its def possible to check QQ).

Hm well just wrote all this in a hurry, hope it helped you. Feel free to ask more questions. If i dont answer just PM, i dont check all my old vids for new comments.
jjooeeyy Thanks for the answers. I'm gonna think about the things u wrote and write again if I have more questions. TY
Pinko Panther
saw winrate and 4 massive spew hands, that breakeven regfish always play the same way, in the first 10secs, stopped video.

Seriously?


6 bb/100 over almost 300k hands is bad now? wth?
JonB84 how did you get number of tables on your HUD? u use HM2?
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