Ron runs through his results and play style over his last 250,000 hands. Ron goes on to commentate over a 6 tabling mixed stakes session on Lock Poker and showcases his unique play style.
Hello, I like your video so far, esp the creative plays, for example AA vs fish in 3-bet pot where you bet small on 667 etc etc. (I would bet big bigger on flop though, so we don't have an overbet on river, or I won't shove river). It is a bit long for me, so will watch last 20 minutes later. Already a few questions though:
7:46 table 1
You say something like ''it doesn't matter if he calls a lot on flop, because I am firing turn anyway, for value''. Value from what? And are you planning on barreling all turns? If not, which turns do you barrel, and is your plan to bet a lot of rivers once he calls turn?
8:18 table 6
You call A9o because he 3-bets so much. Why do you think calling is better than 4betting? I would always 4-bet here because I am afraid I will loose too much money on Axx flops because we are dominated a ton.
23:40 table 4
Would you fold AJo if there was a reg in the bb? Bit same question as A9o I guess, not afraid of being dominated vs his 13/14% range plus fact of being OOP? I would call AJs, but normally fold AJo here unless I think he folds a lot to 3-bets.
3Bet w 77 and then Cbet on Q65hh is fine, but then u say that u gonna bet the turn for value. He has AQ, KQ, QJs for sure. QTs,88,99 sometimes and we are not eve shure he calls any 6x or 5x and even if he does the number of combos of 6x that we beat is 1 or 2 since 65 beats us and we have 2 seven blockers. So where is the value? Against the flushdraws that will call 2ce and shove the river on check?
Hello, I like your video so far, esp the creative plays, for example AA vs fish in 3-bet pot where you bet small on 667 etc etc. (I would bet big bigger on flop though, so we don't have an overbet on river, or I won't shove river). It is a bit long for me, so will watch last 20 minutes later. Already a few questions though:
7:46 table 1
You say something like ''it doesn't matter if he calls a lot on flop, because I am firing turn anyway, for value''. Value from what? And are you planning on barreling all turns? If not, which turns do you barrel, and is your plan to bet a lot of rivers once he calls turn?
8:18 table 6
You call A9o because he 3-bets so much. Why do you think calling is better than 4betting? I would always 4-bet here because I am afraid I will loose too much money on Axx flops because we are dominated a ton.
23:40 table 4
Would you fold AJo if there was a reg in the bb? Bit same question as A9o I guess, not afraid of being dominated vs his 13/14% range plus fact of being OOP? I would call AJs, but normally fold AJo here unless I think he folds a lot to 3-bets.
Edit: No questions about last 20 minutes :o
Hey thanks for the questions. On the 77 hand I think what I meant to say is if I bet the flop say like 30-40% I expand his peeling range so I can then bet the turn for value/protection which would be another 30-40% type bet size As is, when I bet 36 his flop calling range is going to be pretty strong, betting turn would be pretty bad. I should ch/f turn once he calls flop when i cbet 60%.
With the A9 if I 4bet bluff i'm just going to get blown off the best hand sometimes. A lot of players expect me to 4 bet bluff so they're capable of shipping like JTs, KQ, possibly even 98s, I'd rather see the flop and preserve my equity which is doing fine against their range. If I wanted to 4 bet bluff I'd use something like a weak Ace or possibly something like 65s even though often I flat 65s. Basically I feel I can profitably call A9, and I don't think 4 betting in a vacuum would be much better if at all. for a 4 bet bluff to work if we assume our opponent is shipping 99+ and AJ+ our opponent has to be 3 betting roughly 12.5% overall in that spot and ofc if he's 3bet shipping 88 and 77 etc or AT then 4 bet bluffing simply isn't profitable. Basically you should almost never 4 bet bluff because you need too much fold equity.
With the AJ I like a 3 bet because at 14% range if he folds all but 99+ and AQ+ he will be folding 64.3% of the time and if we 3 bet to 22 we risk 21 to win 9. So to break even preflop on our 3 bet we would almost have enough fold equity. And I like a plan postflop of betting all 3 streets in a lot of boards. I.e. on boards you think he peels AQ/AK twice, 3 barrel bluff, if he peels it once, 2 barrel bluff. I mean it's pretty marginal and relies on some fold equity postflop, i.e. your opponent has to be capable of laying down something like TT or 99 to several barrels, if not then we shouldn't be 3 betting this hand. So I guess i'd put it like this, if you feel your opponent will fold to you post flop and believe that you have a big pair from several barrels then by all means 3 bet. If you're unsure it's probably best to fold AJ preflop in the SB againast a 14% utg range. I think once you get up to like a 17% utg range it's a clear 3 bet because you'll profit preflop if they aren't peeling all thier PP's to set mine or something bad like that. Or if they are peeling all PP's you can just barrel more so either way it works out fine.
3Bet w 77 and then Cbet on Q65hh is fine, but then u say that u gonna bet the turn for value. He has AQ, KQ, QJs for sure. QTs,88,99 sometimes and we are not eve shure he calls any 6x or 5x and even if he does the number of combos of 6x that we beat is 1 or 2 since 65 beats us and we have 2 seven blockers. So where is the value? Against the flushdraws that will call 2ce and shove the river on check?
Yeah I agree with what you say. If we bet 50-60% on the flop his turn range will be too strong to bet even small for protection or to check call. The smaller we bet though on the flop the wider his turn range will become so betting again small for value or check calling become viable. However the nittier the opponent the more we want to consider checking turn though because it's less likely he'll call with things like AK, AJ, AT on the turn even if we bet small. So against that particular player I actually like my bet size on the flop, and then to check fold turn. Against most players I like betting small on flop and turn or check calling turn if I think they're floating non SD hands. Ofc the more they have A high hands the more we want to bet small on the turn because they'll check back the turn and try to get to SD. Another option is checking turn then vbetting river if we think they'll call because their hand looks like A high and think that we'll bluff the river to rep Qx.
This is one of the best vidoes I have seen in a while. Your commentary is awsome, explains everything very clear and in depth. Keep doing what u are doing man, great. Looking forward to part 2! :)
This is one of the best vidoes I have seen in a while. Your commentary is awsome, explains everything very clear and in depth. Keep doing what u are doing man, great. Looking forward to part 2! :)
Thanks sir, I'll be doing the audio on part 2 soon, after that I can do part 3 with this same series or a video on something like what spots to check back the flop. Which type of video would you guys prefer?
Personally I like a hh-review, where you go over a certain concept. For example ''delay c-betting'', and you give 10/15 hands in replayer where you explain in detail why you delay c-bet.
edit: ''when to check/fold OOP as PFR'' would be my favourite.
(vinivici also did that already about some concepts, maybe you can use that as an example)
the 65cc hand really opened my eyes. i always wondered where the sexy redline comes from. i am a very aggro cbettor, the one and done type, and usually give up on pots quite a bit. think i found my leak, and this video just shows how much harder i have to work. ur thought process is great btw. ty
the 65cc hand really opened my eyes. i always wondered where the sexy redline comes from. i am a very aggro cbettor, the one and done type, and usually give up on pots quite a bit. think i found my leak, and this video just shows how much harder i have to work. ur thought process is great btw. ty
Personally I like a hh-review, where you go over a certain concept. For example ''delay c-betting'', and you give 10/15 hands in replayer where you explain in detail why you delay c-bet.
edit: ''when to check/fold OOP as PFR'' would be my favourite.
(vinivici also did that already about some concepts, maybe you can use that as an example)
K thanks for the input I'll definitely take it into consideration.
Though I didnt agree with everything, I thought some of your ideas and all of your explanations were excellent. One of the best vids I've seen on leggo in a while.
Though I didnt agree with everything, I thought some of your ideas and all of your explanations were excellent. One of the best vids I've seen on leggo in a while.
Thanks for the kind words, and yeah it's hard to agree with everything a maniac does, but feel free to discuss any hands you disagreed with or weren't sure about.
What is your calling range vs ss with 20-30 when you 3x utg? What do you look for in hud stats vs these players? How do you adjust in late position?
Just half way through but very impressed.
I take it you mean when SSers 3 bet our UTG? That depends ofc on their 3 bet by position and your UTG opening range. The wider your opening range is the wider they'll attack you with 3 bets if they're the type to be trying to exploit your stats, so you'll have to stack off lighter. If for example they're 3 bet getting in 88+ and AJ+ against me we can do some math and see how much equity we need due to pot odds and come up with the worst hand we can get it in. So if we open 3bb, let's just say they shove 20 and 30bb to make it easier, and add 1bb for the blinds on avg. So we have to call 17 win 24 and 27 to win 34. So against 20bb ss we need .415 equity, against 30bb ss we need .443 equity. So we'll plug in some hands against his range of 88+ and AJ+ to see how they do. TT has .502, 77 has .400, ATo has .348, 88 has .416, AJs has .415, AQo has .474, So we can see 88 is the break even call against a 20bb sser, 99 has .456 so that's slightly +ev against 30bb sser although with rake that would move 88 into a fold against 20bb sser and 99 would be close, prob +ev if you have good rakeback heh.
Personally against me some ssers I think shove even a bit lighter than that in some spots with 20bb anyway, since my range is wider than most they'll sometimes shove things like 55, 66, ATs, it could be different for you guys who open tighter they might shove something like TT+ and AJ+. Basically though to get a good feel for calling ranges you just run some math, figure out how much equity you need and figure out what you think is a standard range for them to shove then you can figure out the worst hand to call with and ofc if you feel they're widening their shoving range you can start calling lighter slightly, or conversely fold a bit tighter. But knowing the break even calling hand versus their shoving range will give you a good idea of how to tweak it a bit in the future.
In late position I'll usually adjust by either tightening up to extract from them shoving too wide, or min raising so we lose less the times they shove. Which way you want to counter depends basically on how profitable it is to be opening. If say there's 1 sser and 1 fish in the blinds you want to switch to a m/r and keep opening wide because you're going to make a lot by playing in pots against the fish. Now if there's a good regular who 3 bets a lot and a SSer who 3 bets a lot you should also min raise but tighten up a bit because both will be 3 betting you a lot. Now if the reg is tight you can again m/r a wide range because you'll be picking up the pot a lot preflop, especially the more the regular doesn't adjust by defending wider. You only want to 3x with a SS and regular in the blind if the regular is good and will call your m/r super light, so you want to adjust by going 3x for more fold equity however do it with a slightly tighter range, then you can get it in a ton against the SSer and also call or 4 bet the reg who 3 bets. Against sser's who 3 bet 13-14% against steals I'll basically get in things like 22+, A5s+, A67+, KQ+. Tha'ts roughly a profitable range to call against someone who 3bet shoves a ton versus btn steals, like they shove KT+, 55+, A7o+ that will be roughly a counter range. You'll want to play around with dif ranges yourself, see what ranges you see these SSer's shoving against you then figure out which hands are greater than the break even equity required.
