Ron continues to review a 6 table, 6-Max session he played on LockPoker. Ron discusses 3 street planning, psychology, bet sizing, delayed c-betting, and equities. In particular whether to over bet or bet a normal amount, bluff catching for stacks with A high in 3-bet pots, the value of weak top pairs against shorter stacks, turning hands into bluffs, how to size your bets based on how many streets you think villain calls, 3-betting against short stacks, and reverse equity.
After 7 minutes or something, you took a note villain folds to an 120% overbet. How do you use that note in the future? I normally take only notes when I see a showdown (for example he called overbet really light so I know I can overbet more for value), but don't know if that's wrong.
After 7 minutes or something, you took a note villain folds to an 120% overbet. How do you use that note in the future? I normally take only notes when I see a showdown (for example he called overbet really light so I know I can overbet more for value), but don't know if that's wrong.
I take that more for a reminder say several days later we play, I might forget, but he may have noted I overbet in that spot or he'll remember since he was in a tough spot. So I might switch to value next time because if he's seen me do it before he may be more likely to put me on a bluff next time.
Great video first of all :)
[01:30]What about checkraising this exact turn card, because he probably knows that we know that this card improves his range so we might get folds now or on any non 3straight or 4flush river.
Would you do it with more equity, or would you have no chr bluffingrange on this turn, since most semibluffhands in our chc range for the flop dont do well against a chr-calling range here?
You say he cant call an overbet here, except with AK, so for this to be true, what are we representing as a valuerange? flushes that chc the flop as a FD (would this even be good, because as you said, he will probably chb blank turns, so we cant really chr the turn a lot, except from when we hit, but if he barrels a 3flush, he probably has a shitload of equity which makes our chr not that profitable.) and a kind of leveling-set thing that knows that his range is face up and he knows bla bla bla to rep depolarized?
(sorry if that was poorly written, didnt know how to formulate the 2 seperate questions better)
You also say that 3barreling AK for value there lets us bluff better in the future, does this mean you would stop 3barreling it after it got to SD or would you keep it and valuetown yourself more because of his adjustment to fold more but dont care because you bluff more also?
[09:50](A9 on table 4)Dont you think a donk is better here because chc is pretty shitty on such a board 3way because he probably doesnt bet this board without good equity (only good thing probably is that we have the bdfd) and our hand is pretty face up as a hand that probably cant stand 3 barrels when we chc here?
Or do you think a donk gets raised too much and we certainly dont want to donk/call to make it even more face up and let him play kind of perfectly or make us make mistakes ott or get it in right now.
[16:00]table 6, given that we expect his range to be tight, could we consider folding the turn there or would you expect him to be vbetting his Ax there, thinking that we rarely have a flush except for pair+draws that didnt bet the flop, because I dont see many bluffingcombos except for KQs,QJs because with let's say QTs he would just kind be valueowning himself, wouldnt he?
Also, which turns and river would you plan on betting as a bluff here / what would you be repping here?
Would you think you can rep all 2pairs and Ax that bets any river except for the 4straights because they never have a FD for example?
Finished vid today, and really liked it (again). Esp the fact that you explain really well with every decision his range and why you choose certain lines/sizes vs those ranges. Sometimes when I watch 200/400/600NL vids certain things are std for a coach, but not for a 50nl player like me, so really happy with all the considerations you explain when making a move. Already said what I would like to see in your next vid, so not gonna do that again.
Great video first of all :)
[01:30]What about checkraising this exact turn card, because he probably knows that we know that this card improves his range so we might get folds now or on any non 3straight or 4flush river.
Would you do it with more equity, or would you have no chr bluffingrange on this turn, since most semibluffhands in our chc range for the flop dont do well against a chr-calling range here?
You say he cant call an overbet here, except with AK, so for this to be true, what are we representing as a valuerange? flushes that chc the flop as a FD (would this even be good, because as you said, he will probably chb blank turns, so we cant really chr the turn a lot, except from when we hit, but if he barrels a 3flush, he probably has a shitload of equity which makes our chr not that profitable.) and a kind of leveling-set thing that knows that his range is face up and he knows bla bla bla to rep depolarized?
(sorry if that was poorly written, didnt know how to formulate the 2 seperate questions better)
You also say that 3barreling AK for value there lets us bluff better in the future, does this mean you would stop 3barreling it after it got to SD or would you keep it and valuetown yourself more because of his adjustment to fold more but dont care because you bluff more also?
[09:50](A9 on table 4)Dont you think a donk is better here because chc is pretty shitty on such a board 3way because he probably doesnt bet this board without good equity (only good thing probably is that we have the bdfd) and our hand is pretty face up as a hand that probably cant stand 3 barrels when we chc here?
Or do you think a donk gets raised too much and we certainly dont want to donk/call to make it even more face up and let him play kind of perfectly or make us make mistakes ott or get it in right now.
[16:00]table 6, given that we expect his range to be tight, could we consider folding the turn there or would you expect him to be vbetting his Ax there, thinking that we rarely have a flush except for pair+draws that didnt bet the flop, because I dont see many bluffingcombos except for KQs,QJs because with let's say QTs he would just kind be valueowning himself, wouldnt he?
Also, which turns and river would you plan on betting as a bluff here / what would you be repping here?
Would you think you can rep all 2pairs and Ax that bets any river except for the 4straights because they never have a FD for example?
Thanks I'm glad you enjoyed the video =].
T43ccQc, I would like it if we had a club in our hand, I think with no club our equity is too low since we’re relying purely on fold equity, and we would often have to fire the river.
overbet hand- While I’m not repping many combos I just think this is a spot where until people catch on they’ll simply fold because they don’t put too many air hands in your check calling range. Also if we have a FD and he checks turn we can bluff the river basically it’s an oop float that will work a high %, so him checking a lot of turns isn’t bad at all. It’s worse if he will check a lot of SD hands on the turn because he’ll pick us off on the river, but I expect him to bet most of his Tx+ and check some A and K high hands that will fold river. He also could check turn with like 77 and fold river, although doubtfully against me.
3bet AK 3 barrel plan- Whether I keep 3 barreling AK is pretty opponent dependent. If I think he’ll adjust by folding more I’ll just start bluffing more and instead of 3 barreling AK I would just check call turn instead and check decide on the river. So we can let his floats bluff and still get 2 streets from worse A highs, if he checks back turn we value bet river ofc. If we think he will fold worse A highs to 3 barrels in the future no reason to 3 barrel AK. Basically if I feel he makes instant adjustments i.e. he expects us to keep playing the same way I’ll switch it up, this will be generally learned from past play. You want to pay attention to if people adjust instantly or if they think you’ll adjust in other words if they think your value range will shrink then they will call down lighter in the future, so they keep their strategy the same as it was. I would say the better the player the more likely the latter is true. For most regs the former is more likely.
[9:50] If we donk A9 the merit to it is to bet/bet, ch/f river basically to either get 2 streets of value from pair + gutter or just have him fold turn. For this to be good though we kind of need him to raise his better hands on the flop or turn. Because if he just flats them we’re going to lose 2 streets. With the A9 I planned on c/c flop, ch/f turn since he’s kind of tight and I think he’ll give up on the flop often 3 way. By checking he can check flop call turn and see 2 cards which kind of sucks for us. I would say the tighter your opponent and less aggressive donking is probably better but also someone who plays their big hands straight forwardly, basically bet flop and turn and ch/f river. The more laggy type of player or someone you think will raise your donk, its better to check since he can put a lot of pressure on our non nutted perceived donking range. Basically I think I’d prfer generally to check as it his both of their ranges decently. Basically I don’t feel our equity against their ranges is great.
[16:00] He can also have like KQ off without a club, he probably wouldn’t bet with AJ or AQ with no club but who knows. Basically I don’t think he has that many better hands in his range, he’d probably 4 bet KK, mb he vbets QQ with a club turn and river, probably checks JJ to try to induce a bluff. He could just have like 99 or 88 with no club that’s trying to get me off my non club hands like better pairs that were checking flop, or maybe even my Ax hands without a club that were 3 bet bluffing.
On the A6 hand on the AJ525 board. I probably wouldn’t bluff turn/river too often to start with because I think once I check flop they’ll likely not really put me on too many Ax, so they’ll probably call down with a lot of their Jx, I think the wider the SB range is the better betting turn/river is because they can have many weaker Jx or maybe 5x sometimes. However I think against most normal SB ranges I like check flop bluff turn give up river with my total air. 3 barrel gutshots and big hands.
Table 6 around 15 min u 3bet A9o MP vs UTG if I remember correctly. I usually stay away from 3beting Ax offsuit hands, don't know if this is a leak if mine or sth but I almost never 3bet those hands. Mainly because I think that there is going to be enough other hands that I can 3bet that just plays better. What do u think?
27,30 min ~ Table 5 you call with A9o BB vs BTN open. You c/c JJ6ss.I would just like to say that I def have some problems in spot like this when I c/c with A high on boards that my callingrange looks really weak on. Like on this board, when we could be percieved to c/c A high, sometimes Khigh, flushdraws, PPs etc. So what happends pretty often is that I call flop and just fold on alot of turns. Witch doesn't really feel good becuse since villain knows my range is weak for c/c, he is pretty often gonna barrel. Hope u get what I mean, do you have any suggestions of how I should be thinking in these spots in order to make less mistakes?
Table 6 around 15 min u 3bet A9o MP vs UTG if I remember correctly. I usually stay away from 3beting Ax offsuit hands, don't know if this is a leak if mine or sth but I almost never 3bet those hands. Mainly because I think that there is going to be enough other hands that I can 3bet that just plays better. What do u think?
27,30 min ~ Table 5 you call with A9o BB vs BTN open. You c/c JJ6ss.I would just like to say that I def have some problems in spot like this when I c/c with A high on boards that my callingrange looks really weak on. Like on this board, when we could be percieved to c/c A high, sometimes Khigh, flushdraws, PPs etc. So what happends pretty often is that I call flop and just fold on alot of turns. Witch doesn't really feel good becuse since villain knows my range is weak for c/c, he is pretty often gonna barrel. Hope u get what I mean, do you have any suggestions of how I should be thinking in these spots in order to make less mistakes?
Very good vid again. TYTY
About 3 betting, we didn't have much history so i was basically going to be 3 betting a super wide range there in a vacuum I felt it had a ton of fold equity. Once you have more hands with players you obvoiusly need to optimize your range better to 3 bet hands that simply play the best as your bluffs otherwise you'll be 3 betting way too bluff heavy and what not. So it was sort of just one of those spots where I felt he'd fold a ton so I wasn't too concerned about my hand. You said, "Mainly because I think that there is going to be enough other hands that I can 3bet that just plays better. What do u think?" I think this type of thinking can be dangerous because you can give yourself an excuse to just fold. Similar to when people say, "well i'm at the top of my range so i have to call." It's almost lol. That says nothing about whether to call or fold, it obviously depends on if you think he's bluffing enough or not in relation to his value range and pot odds as to whether you want to call or not.
Your question about calling with A highs. Well essentially it depends ofc on your reads. The more people barrel the more you want to either c/r flop, ch/f or c/c down multiple streets. Clearly c/c flop to ch/f is really bad against an aggressive opponent. I would say the more unsure you are about how your opponent plays the better it is to c/r or ch/f because you won't know whether to fold turn, call turn fold river, or call down with A high. Also ofc if someone barrels a fairly balanced range sometimes it's better off for you to ch/f. If they don't barrel enough you can c/c and fold later streets, if they barrel too much you can c/c down if you have enough equity against their range.
Around 8 min u call a 3bet co vs sb w AQ. Flop is 886ss, he cbets and u call. The turn is a T. First off all, u were talking on the flop that calling him down was probably the best play, given that he was pretty aggro, and that your range misses this board a lot. Do u still have the same plan on this turncard? It does kind hit your range as u say in the vid, but its also a card that he might expect u to fold all your floats like AQ,AJ,KQ etc. Do u agree that might be possible?
I was thinking about another thing in the same hand, u got checked to on the turn, and u were a little torn between checking back and betting river, or betting turn+river. How likely do u think it is that he would lead river as a bluff, his range issn't really capped since he might have gone for a cr or sth, whereas your range is. Idk how much that matters, or if u agree with it? But I always gets a little worried that i might get bluffed off my hand if i check back turn here, don't think it happends often, but maybe once in a while. What do u think?
One last thing, u choosed to bet 64 into 88 otr after turn went check check. I'm I right when i say that he needs to fold around 40% of his hands that are better then yours to make a profit? Do u think that 6x and AK makes up for those 40ish % that are better then your hand, assuming that he folds em?
