Mirza kicks off his new "Mentoring" series by reviewing a $50 NL 6-Max session played by Leggo member "shinigammi" on Stars. Follow along as they plug leaks and move up in stakes.
Hero valuebets river, but what do you think is callingrange is? If you want to have >50% equity vs his callingrange, his callingrange should be very weak, since we have top pair but worst kicker, so what do you think about betting 1/3 pot instead of 2/3 pot like hero did?
13:10 table 6
What sizing would you make your c-bet? I generally c-bet here 1/2 pot, but after that the leveling starts: What turns would you bet? And what is your plan if you bet river?
For example if turn is Q, I would bet because ''he has pairs below Qx a lot'', and than on river I bet again because ''Qx is a very small part of his range, and he is likely to call the turn with a pair below Qx''. Is this reasoning fine, or way too spewy?
What about a turn that connects a bit more with the board like an 8? Does it matter this card connects with the board in this case because the flop is quite dry and therefore it is a much more different case than J76 where turn is T?
Hope this explained a bit my problems in situations like this, curious what your thoughts are.
Also wondered for example, lets say flop is 467 twotone, do you like a delayed c-bet? I normally check flop, bet for example Q turn when checked to, and bet river pretty big a lot of the time, since I suspect him to bet Qx himself on the turn.
18:50 table 3
You say ''barrel some cards''. Again: what cards? And how do you decide to 3barrel or not? Again, does it matter if turn connects with river? (for example K turn, Q river).
30:30 table 6
Why not raise river for value? In my experience (can def be wrong here), they don't take this sizing on turn with a straight, and would prob 3-bet turn for protection/value. Also, when he donks river, I suspect a sort of ''blockerbet'' a lot with a weak made hand. Therefore, I would raise like 2.2x and fold to a jam on the river. What do you think?
35:30 table 5
Why the 3-bet? Villain folds 80% vs 3-bets, so shouldn't you 3-bet way more polarized than this? Vs his callingrange, your equity is very bad, so you need to have chance for flush/straight, right? (I 3-bet here JJ+, AQs+ and suited connectors here, thoughts?)
42:40 table 3
Did write a lot on paper about c/r river with AQ lol, but than you answered it, so I have another question for you. Would you ever c/r river with a worse hand than AQ? If so, what hands? Since he valuebets very likely pretty thin in this spot (and I suspect you get only called by KQ/QT or better here most of the time, am I too scared?), what do you think about only c/r AQ+, but also turn some hands like 88 into a bluff?
52:00 table 1
You say ''std'' about the 3-bet with AK, but why is this standard? I learned from u vs UTG opens, you have to 3-bet very polarized, so why isn't calling better?
About the vid in general:
Feel like I have to say this, because most of the time I don't like leakfinders. Hero asked some good questions I was also curious about, so was very happy with that. Only bad thing is that I did waste some time writing down stuff, because after that it got answered trololol.
You covered a lot of hands and different spots and the student asked a lot of questions that were on my mind too so overall v interesting video, looking forward to part2!
About the last hand of the vid, when hero squeezed a 5x open with AQ you say in the video that c/f TxxR is best since his range is too strong in this spot since he called a big sq.
But if we add a few KQs ATs 88 AQo type hands in his range (which at these stakes should be at least somewhat likely) then he should have some hands that fold to a cbet. And if we make like half pot and plan to barrel some turns too... I guess what I'm asking is do you think betting and planning to fire some barrels is a solid plan? Or do you feel that too much of his range is TT+ that we are kinda hand-cuffed into a c/f?
29 min ~ Table 6 hero call AJo BB vs a BTN open. Flop comes 7TKss and he c/c. What do u think about donking or c/r here? Imo when we c/c this flop we are going to be percieved to have alot of draws, and villain could also have draws himself witch are going to barrel the turn, and I don't think we can call a turn bet profitable? So imo it seems better to have the initiative in this hand. What do u think?
42.30 ~ Table 3 hero call AQ BB vs a BTN open. Flop comes goes check check on 235r, turn is a Q and hero c/r. I can explain what is going through my head in this hand. Imo, I don't think villain is going to go bet/bet on this card all that often. In my experience they just give up river alot. And alot of people don't even vbet river with some weak Qx, since he opened from the BTN he probably has Q7s etc. Also our range is going to be wider for c/r the turn compared to c/r the river, so I think the likelyhood if him calling a c/r is bigger on the turn instead of the river. What do u think about the way I'm thinking here?
Very good format, liked it alot. Chris asked alot of good questions that I was thinking about so I don't need to type as much here :)
Hero valuebets river, but what do you think is callingrange is? If you want to have >50% equity vs his callingrange, his callingrange should be very weak, since we have top pair but worst kicker, so what do you think about betting 1/3 pot instead of 2/3 pot like hero did?
This would be a good spot to check raise for villain since most players are going to be betting their ace x on the river.That being said its not something I would be worried about at nl50.
U make a good point about our sizing and we should have bet sth in the like of.1.75-2.2.
13:10 table 6
What sizing would you make your c-bet? I generally c-bet here 1/2 pot, but after that the leveling starts: What turns would you bet? And what is your plan if you bet river?
[B]I like the small size since the board is so dry , we should treat kj like a thinn value bet, but at the same time we dont wanna blow the pot, where we very often need to bluff the turn and river and risk a lot more bbs than we need to.
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For example if turn is Q, I would bet because ''he has pairs below Qx a lot'', and than on river I bet again because ''Qx is a very small part of his range, and he is likely to call the turn with a pair below Qx''. Is this reasoning fine, or way too spewy?
[B][B]This really comes down to how big of a fish he is.In general I expect fish to ch min r turn with trips in that situation, so I wouldnt be too worried about him having trips once I barrel that turn card and he calls, I would very likely bluff the river.Basically the wider his peeling range iyo the more u should bluff the river.Some fish fold all their ace highs and small pps here on the turn and others never do. So it comes down to that.I think a turn bet is always gonna be profitable tho given the flop dryness and him being in the big blind.
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What about a turn that connects a bit more with the board like an 8? Does it matter this card connects with the board in this case because the flop is quite dry and therefore it is a much more different case than J76 where turn is T?
I dont think that most turn cards change the nature of the board texture vs a fish' s calling range here, unless its a 2 7 345 6.U should expect him to keep calling with ace highs on those low cards and improve some of his wheel aces.So I would keep firing all the above and if i decide to bet those lower cards I would be very hardpressed to overbet the river or pot, something in the likes, u most definitely shouldnt make it easy for them to click call with a small pair in these spots.
As far as the j76 10 board, this is the perfect 3barrel spot since the turn card connects so much with his flop calling range in a way where his flop calling range is very similar to his turn calling range.For all those reasons u have to always bet turn plus river in this situation, if u decide to bluff the turn.
Hope this explained a bit my problems in situations like this, curious what your thoughts are.
Also wondered for example, lets say flop is 467 twotone, do you like a delayed c-bet? I normally check flop, bet for example Q turn when checked to, and bet river pretty big a lot of the time, since I suspect him to bet Qx himself on the turn.
It comes down to positions and what his range is and how honest he plays on these type of boards.The more likely he s too fastplay his big hands and check call marginal hands the more likely I am to 3barrel these low connected boards.
There s obv nothing wrong with delay cbetting here on the turn and bluff alot of rivers.Although u should be careful with ur assesment of them leading the turn with queens since this is a flop alot of people may give up on and then decide to represent the queen , so leading in his shoes isnt gonna be what u should be doing theoratically.This is in a spot where we assume villain plays theoratically sound obviously and doesnt involve them having misconceptions about some situations.It has alot to do with how wide or narrow ranges are in these kind of spots.
18:50 table 3
You say ''barrel some cards''. Again: what cards? And how do you decide to 3barrel or not? Again, does it matter if turn connects with river? (for example K turn, Q river).
The more the turn connects with the flop the more likely I am to give up, since it just hits his range too much and we dont turn any equity with our hand in that case.If u bet cards like JQKA on the turn the turn the more u need to bluff the river.With a very clean and tight image u might get away by 3barreling any runout here since people fast play big overpairs in this situation preflop or on the flop very often, which leaves them with alot of bluffcatchers.
30:30 table 6
Why not raise river for value? In my experience (can def be wrong here), they don't take this sizing on turn with a straight, and would prob 3-bet turn for protection/value. Also, when he donks river, I suspect a sort of ''blockerbet'' a lot with a weak made hand. Therefore, I would raise like 2.2x and fold to a jam on the river. What do you think?
I agree with everything u said.Make some kind of small raise for sure, especially given the turn snap call to our raise.
35:30 table 5
Why the 3-bet? Villain folds 80% vs 3-bets, so shouldn't you 3-bet way more polarized than this? Vs his callingrange, your equity is very bad, so you need to have chance for flush/straight, right? (I 3-bet here JJ+, AQs+ and suited connectors here, thoughts?)
I think is a proftable 3bet vs a guy who folds this much in the 1st place.U should 3bet way more hands since he folds as much as he does.Dont worry about domination as much , it's important to have the initiative in these spots, and u can play pretty well vs range given its pretty narrow, its not hard to figure out what type of boards u can follow through and bluff off and in what spots u should give up.
42:40 table 3
Did write a lot on paper about c/r river with AQ lol, but than you answered it, so I have another question for you. Would you ever c/r river with a worse hand than AQ? If so, what hands? Since he valuebets very likely pretty thin in this spot (and I suspect you get only called by KQ/QT or better here most of the time, am I too scared?), what do you think about only c/r AQ+, but also turn some hands like 88 into a bluff?
It really comes down to wether or not he valuebets jx here, but at the same time most of these villains expect u to fast play the turn here with ur big hands, and the 2nd argument for not turning a pair into a bluff here is that people even though they should check jx back on the river wayyyyyy too often at nl50 , so u are facing a pretty polarized range made of qx mainly from the vast majority of regs at nl50 and they simply dont fold tp in these spots.especially when they didnt cbet and not more money had gone into the pot before.
52:00 table 1
You say ''std'' about the 3-bet with AK, but why is this standard? I learned from u vs UTG opens, you have to 3-bet very polarized, so why isn't calling better?
It's fine to flat ak here in the bb vs very tight opponents , but this player was not full stacked had weird stats , so given all that we should 3bet it 100% in this situation.Overall u can mix it up by 3betting or calling vs alot of opponents, the looser and 4bet happy the more we should 3bet and the opposite the more we should call.
About the vid in general:
Feel like I have to say this, because most of the time I don't like leakfinders. Hero asked some good questions I was also curious about, so was very happy with that. Only bad thing is that I did waste some time writing down stuff, because after that it got answered trololol.
You covered a lot of hands and different spots and the student asked a lot of questions that were on my mind too so overall v interesting video, looking forward to part2!
About the last hand of the vid, when hero squeezed a 5x open with AQ you say in the video that c/f TxxR is best since his range is too strong in this spot since he called a big sq.
But if we add a few KQs ATs 88 AQo type hands in his range (which at these stakes should be at least somewhat likely) then he should have some hands that fold to a cbet. And if we make like half pot and plan to barrel some turns too... I guess what I'm asking is do you think betting and planning to fire some barrels is a solid plan? Or do you feel that too much of his range is TT+ that we are kinda hand-cuffed into a c/f?
GL!
I think we should always ch f here and give him a very strong range since the pfr opened to 5x so we ended up squeezing to 20bbs.Noone unless they are terrible flat a wide range here given the huge sqz.In other circumstances I might cbet aq here if we had made it like 6.50 pre , given our stack sizes I assume some people might flat some pps and some broadways and are much more likely to cold4bet their big hands since it isnt a very unusal thing with these stack sizes.
29 min ~ Table 6 hero call AJo BB vs a BTN open. Flop comes 7TKss and he c/c. What do u think about donking or c/r here? Imo when we c/c this flop we are going to be percieved to have alot of draws, and villain could also have draws himself witch are going to barrel the turn, and I don't think we can call a turn bet profitable? So imo it seems better to have the initiative in this hand. What do u think?
I dont think we need to turn this hand into a bluff.It is strong enough to check call and we have alot of combinations of k10 kj kq k9s and 10x that wont fold in this spot.We r ahead of alot of his draws as well.I will usually call 2 streets in this spot since these guys arent capable of betting for thinn value alot of times with hands like a10 or q10 and they will chose to pot control some weak king x and qq jj in this situation, so I wouldnt be too worried about their turn betting range here.
42.30 ~ Table 3 hero call AQ BB vs a BTN open. Flop comes goes check check on 235r, turn is a Q and hero c/r. I can explain what is going through my head in this hand. Imo, I don't think villain is going to go bet/bet on this card all that often. In my experience they just give up river alot. And alot of people don't even vbet river with some weak Qx, since he opened from the BTN he probably has Q7s etc. Also our range is going to be wider for c/r the turn compared to c/r the river, so I think the likelyhood if him calling a c/r is bigger on the turn instead of the river. What do u think about the way I'm thinking here?
If u think that assessment is correct than check raising turn is obv the better play since they dont bluff and even worse dont value bet some q x on the river.However I find that hard to believe that people dont value bet qx here and nver bluff.
Very good format, liked it alot. Chris asked alot of good questions that I was thinking about so I don't need to type as much here :)
hey, I'm not very far into the video right now so I'm sorry if it gets mentioned later on but could you explain your hud layout as it probably enhances watching the video a whole lot.
Thanks in advance
VPIP / PFR / Steal / Call open / Total Aggression Factor
Flop Cbet / Fold to flop cbet / Turn cbet / River bet / Went to Showdown
3bet / Fold to 3bet / 4bet Range / Fold to 4bet / Squeeze
I think this video format is ideal for most of leggo users. I think this 50NL video was basic in various spots concerning 3bets and c-betting boards but I'm looking forward to watching the 100-200NL videos.
Question:
What are the biggest differences (in general, of course) you've found between 100NL and 200NL (if there are any)--and 400NL (which I think is your regular stake)? I'm moving up in stakes and am curious about this.
I think this video format is ideal for most of leggo users. I think this 50NL video was basic in various spots concerning 3bets and c-betting boards but I'm looking forward to watching the 100-200NL videos.
Question:
What are the biggest differences (in general, of course) you've found between 100NL and 200NL (if there are any)--and 400NL (which I think is your regular stake)? I'm moving up in stakes and am curious about this.
There's a pretty big jump between nl100 and nl200 imo.At least on stars I found the difference to be very big.I cant give u a really precise answer about this , but I would say , people at nl100 definitely play more honest on average on later streets.All u can really do is get a feeling for it urself, and by that I mean , get an overall feeling for in which spots people will bluff and in what spots they dont.There's definitely population reads here especially at nl200 with the majority of the players being masstabling tags or nittags:).
There will be spots where u should bluff at nl200 where as at nl100 the same play wont work for sure since players have worse hand reading overall.The biggest thing tho at nl100 that i remember when i played on stars were the reactions of the regs to aggression, they usually fight fire with fire if u can say it that way.
As far as the difference between 200 and 400 go, it's usually alot of the better nl200 regs that u find at some of the 400 tables mixed in with some very good players that mix in stakes up to nl1ooo.
There ' s just less recreational players and the average regular is definitely more solid than those u find on 200.
Hope this helped a bit.
I hope we will be able to get Xhristos to 200 nl by the end of the series, we will definitely try:).
[34:49] how about 2barreling this board because I dont think he has many Kx (I'd say like 50% of AKo, KQs-KTs only) but will definitely peel once with 99-QQ(he might not getitin with that) and AJ-AQ also sometimes or do you think he's just folding those acehighs (or even the pairs) too much and doesnt have enough medium pairs (and too much Kx because he might not 4bet it) to make that profitable?
hmm shudda waited :)
(problem with the pausing and thinking about it before the coach says something about it)
[41:00] we call 57s vs a loose-passivish minraiser otb. While it's probably not bad to play fitorfold because he looks like the type to make a lot of mistakes when we do hit I think a hand like this has most of its value in trying to get foldequity and even if he doesnt ever fold top pair or even second pair he's just going to have so much air and BS that I think we should just chr that T34rb or what it was because I do expect him to not float us with bare overcards or acehigh often and we can barrel a lot of turns (FDs, if I do remember correctly we can also turn straight draws) to make him fold weakish pairs and vs top pair we are probably even going to have implied odds (so plan would be to chr/barrel turns that improve us/only bet river when we hit). Good plan?
About the first hand Zaza analyse it very good imo. As you said also :).
You are right about the second hand. I didn't pay attention at the moment and I pass a good spot. We have backdoor fd and a gutshot and as you said he has to much air. I think he will call with overs but we can fold this OTT. So yeah is a good plan imo. :)
Hey guys.
I like ur plan with the reasons with 75s hand, its a board we will get barreled on quiet a bit since our flop calling range is so wide , so this is also sth to consider when making a decision on the flop.