Denny plays 4 tables of $1,000 NL 6-Max on Stars while pointing out spots where you can improve your red line and plays some big pots throughout the video.
Where do you want to get value from on the river, since he is likely to bet all his pairs on the turn? I would always c/r here, since I think his callingrange almost always bets when checked to besides maybe some Ax, and this way you can get an extra bet out of Kx.
Trouwens, ''having guts'' is beter geloof ik, hehe.
RE: The KK hand where innerpsy x/r'd and bombed turn, I really don't think there is much point to betting the river. From a hand reading perspective it seems that he's polarized between the nuts and all types of draws (gut shots, flush draws, oesds) that he will likely represent (and I was surprised to see 22 there. I'm sure he would have jammed any heart, T, J, etc). IF he's repping either missed bluffs or the nuts, then you betting the river does not get value from many worse hands (except the very rare JJ/QQ that you mentioned, but those hands in such a spot seem way too infrequent to be a factor here).
Also, if he's folding the vast majority of hands here, I'm inclined to believe that checking back this river gives us more information about him than betting it (in weird spots where I think I'm unlikely to get value, I prefer checking to get a note on the player).
I like bet smallish/call on the KK hand. You pretty much convinced yourself he rarely checks a boat so we have the best hand so often. Induce a spew c/shove or get c/c'd by oddly played JJ like you said. Above all else, get that redline up!!!
Can you comment on what rivers you would have called a shove or folded to a shove on w/ the KK? I'm assuming your calling on blanks, but I am unsure about hearts, an A, other board pairing cards.
In the beginning table one, you 3b TJs bb-sb vs mystery, why are you 3betting this hand?
The AJ hand vs pobolero i think is pretty spewy, pobolero prob does not valuebet super light in this spot, and from his perspective you probably dont have a set, since you would probably not be defending that in the SB (or you would be 3btting), the straight with the low ace you would probably be 3betting that pre a big majortiy of the time, so the only one that makes sense is the one with the club draw on the turn, that you did not c/r the flop with. Your most likely hand is QK, and then the question is the same, you would prob c/r the flop a x % of the time, 3b pre a x % of the time, and if you come to the river where he has all straights sets, would you still c/r that.... So from his perspective he sould be bet calling any hand that he thinks is good enough to valuebet. So we should not c/r and if we should do something else then folding i think c/c is betting then c/r..... thoughtsss?
Could you go a little bit more in to the JQ raise bb-sb on KTx vs Innerpsy....?
I like betting smallish with the KK as well, in the hope he c/c a hand like he had, or he picked up a pair along the way, since he prob expects you to ch behind a hand like KK so he should be jamming all his boats and he may put you on some super draw, but thats to few combos for him to be checking a boat, so he never has better
Here I found it interesting that you have a total another approach than me, and you might be of course right:
-> the thing is that you have in your flopcallrange some str8draws as well which kinda will often fold now, so folding any Jx-hand would be regards to math exploitable.
Then again,
when you call now OTT still some FDs, Jx-hands and TP+-hands, then in theory you will be allowed to fold X-% OTR to a jam w/o getting exploitable (depending on villains size and hence how much FEQ he would need to be BE).
In such a spot it often comes down that in theory you then could fold all your MPs there and call with TP+ and your range would be mostly protected enough.
The interesting thing for me was that you instantly said doubtless that you already have the decision to make OTT and either you fold there or you call OTT and on very most rivers...
What have been the reasoning for this thought from you?
Min. 28 - 88:
One other question I would like to throw in^^
At this hand you said that usually you would have betted OTT to protect your hand and then go from there, when pobolero`s Betsize would not have confused you so much - absolutely agree with this approach.
Probably it is a dumb question to ask you what you mean by "and then go from there) b/c if Villain X/Calls your turnbet after missed his 2ndBar., it depends on many things if you would turn for example weaker SD-value (like weak MPs) into a bluff OTR or not.
But do you have here some general ideas vs. an unknown REG as default?
Maybe we would tend to xb on Blank Rivers and bluff those ones where a card falls which improves our bettingrange (for example a FD, BFDF or a str8draw are coming in...).
Just curious if you have here some more general plans here?
btw.,
how big do you tend to bet in those spots OTT?
I guess that a normal amount (whatever amount you would bet there with a stronger valuehand or a draw/air which you float with) is best for obv. reasons - you agree with this?
I just ask b/c I think you said in the vid that you would have betted there pretty small (but no specific number) if his sizeing OTF would not have confused you so much...
And rly great vid so far - also enjoy your thoughts and insights on the red-line-stuff a lot and that you also make clear that finally the colour of the lines are not mattering (is often style-dependend) too much and the green line is obv. most important... good job, keep on:)
KK hand was a check back, if you were just calling then more chance you dont have a made hand and could of been flushing ect. If he had a 9 the only way he would get vaule is by checking I feel, as you are insta folding to his river bet with AK hearts, and his check would induce you to bluff at it I feel.
Where do you want to get value from on the river, since he is likely to bet all his pairs on the turn? I would always c/r here, since I think his callingrange almost always bets when checked to besides maybe some Ax, and this way you can get an extra bet out of Kx.
Trouwens, ''having guts'' is beter geloof ik, hehe.
I figured if he had a 7 (or to some degree a 2) he'd probably play it this way and not bet so often but probably call.
Thinking more about I agree that c/r is better. The times he has a 7 and checks back are nullified by the times he bets a King and is faced with a c/r (and will likely result in him making faults) and the times he does decide to bluff.
I like bet smallish/call on the KK hand. You pretty much convinced yourself he rarely checks a boat so we have the best hand so often. Induce a spew c/shove or get c/c'd by oddly played JJ like you said. Above all else, get that redline up!!!
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KK hand was a check back, if you were just calling then more chance you dont have a made hand and could of been flushing ect. If he had a 9 the only way he would get vaule is by checking I feel, as you are insta folding to his river bet with AK hearts, and his check would induce you to bluff at it I feel.
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RE: The KK hand where innerpsy x/r'd and bombed turn, I really don't think there is much point to betting the river. From a hand reading perspective it seems that he's polarized between the nuts and all types of draws (gut shots, flush draws, oesds) that he will likely represent (and I was surprised to see 22 there. I'm sure he would have jammed any heart, T, J, etc). IF he's repping either missed bluffs or the nuts, then you betting the river does not get value from many worse hands (except the very rare JJ/QQ that you mentioned, but those hands in such a spot seem way too infrequent to be a factor here).
Also, if he's folding the vast majority of hands here, I'm inclined to believe that checking back this river gives us more information about him than betting it (in weird spots where I think I'm unlikely to get value, I prefer checking to get a note on the player).
Hey guys,
Happy to see the discussion around this hand. The problem in this hand is that there were 2 'reads' that were contradicting each other.
1) His range is polarized so there's no point in betting, because I don't believe him to be capable of c/r bluff here
2) He should not really check boats on the river so he can't really have better
The first dictates a check/back, the 2nd dictates a bet.
In the end I decided that 1) was 'stronger' than 2), and that the mistake of missing some slight value is better than the mistake of shoveling all the money in and be wrong.
Can you comment on what rivers you would have called a shove or folded to a shove on w/ the KK? I'm assuming your calling on blanks, but I am unsure about hearts, an A, other board pairing cards.
Really tough to say. I would fold on some straight cards, because I think it both improves his bluffing range, and at the same time improves my perceived range, so his bluffing frequency should be way lower.
Inflection point is more important than the cards that come. It is vital information that he stopped bluffing after the turn this time
In the beginning table one, you 3b TJs bb-sb vs mystery, why are you 3betting this hand?
It's part of my game to sometimes 3bet that hand. It's perfectly reasonable to never 3bet a hand like that though, I don't think it really matters.
The AJ hand vs pobolero i think is pretty spewy, pobolero prob does not valuebet super light in this spot, and from his perspective you probably dont have a set, since you would probably not be defending that in the SB (or you would be 3btting), the straight with the low ace you would probably be 3betting that pre a big majortiy of the time, so the only one that makes sense is the one with the club draw on the turn, that you did not c/r the flop with. Your most likely hand is QK, and then the question is the same, you would prob c/r the flop a x % of the time, 3b pre a x % of the time, and if you come to the river where he has all straights sets, would you still c/r that.... So from his perspective he sould be bet calling any hand that he thinks is good enough to valuebet. So we should not c/r and if we should do something else then folding i think c/c is betting then c/r..... thoughtsss?
I disagree, I do have all sets in my range, even KK and QQ. Following your train of thought it's also very hard for me to have a bluffing range, given that I already called twice. It would mean that I would have taken this line with 99 and I think he'll have a hard time calling when he realizes that there's few bluffing combo's. Especially if views me as call stationy and thinks I'd rather call with 99 putting him on a bluff than do something like this. And it helps he'll fold his air.
Could you go a little bit more in to the JQ raise bb-sb on KTx vs Innerpsy....?
This is not so standard, but I bluffraise boards so often that I think this is a board I can induce a bluff 3bet on that will fold to shove. Also I have the option of going call call with the Q-high if the turn bricks if I feel really strong about certain reads. Another likely scenario is him calling my raise and my outs are sort of hidden (he'll more likely put me on a FD).
I like betting smallish with the KK as well, in the hope he c/c a hand like he had, or he picked up a pair along the way, since he prob expects you to ch behind a hand like KK so he should be jamming all his boats and he may put you on some super draw, but thats to few combos for him to be checking a boat, so he never has better
Always be careful to say never, sometimes players check strong hands in spots where they don't have a c/c range (or so you think) because they expect us to capitalize on that and turn everything into a bluff.
Here I found it interesting that you have a total another approach than me, and you might be of course right:
-> the thing is that you have in your flopcallrange some str8draws as well which kinda will often fold now, so folding any Jx-hand would be regards to math exploitable.
Then again,
when you call now OTT still some FDs, Jx-hands and TP+-hands, then in theory you will be allowed to fold X-% OTR to a jam w/o getting exploitable (depending on villains size and hence how much FEQ he would need to be BE).
In such a spot it often comes down that in theory you then could fold all your MPs there and call with TP+ and your range would be mostly protected enough.
The interesting thing for me was that you instantly said doubtless that you already have the decision to make OTT and either you fold there or you call OTT and on very most rivers...
What have been the reasoning for this thought from you?
It seemed like a pretty good board to 3barrel on for him, given that I didn't raise at any point on a wet board. It seemed like the strongest hand I have on a regular basis is KQ, and I thought he would have many draws that have to bet on the turn, and on the river decide to just shove and hope for the best. I could be wrong, but it looks like a spot where people bet 3 a lot.
Min. 28 - 88:
One other question I would like to throw in^^
At this hand you said that usually you would have betted OTT to protect your hand and then go from there, when pobolero`s Betsize would not have confused you so much - absolutely agree with this approach.
Probably it is a dumb question to ask you what you mean by "and then go from there) b/c if Villain X/Calls your turnbet after missed his 2ndBar., it depends on many things if you would turn for example weaker SD-value (like weak MPs) into a bluff OTR or not.
But do you have here some general ideas vs. an unknown REG as default?
Maybe we would tend to xb on Blank Rivers and bluff those ones where a card falls which improves our bettingrange (for example a FD, BFDF or a str8draw are coming in...).
Just curious if you have here some more general plans here?
btw.,
how big do you tend to bet in those spots OTT?
I guess that a normal amount (whatever amount you would bet there with a stronger valuehand or a draw/air which you float with) is best for obv. reasons - you agree with this?
I just ask b/c I think you said in the vid that you would have betted there pretty small (but no specific number) if his sizeing OTF would not have confused you so much...
And rly great vid so far - also enjoy your thoughts and insights on the red-line-stuff a lot and that you also make clear that finally the colour of the lines are not mattering (is often style-dependend) too much and the green line is obv. most important... good job, keep on:)
Good questions. I meant that I would decide whether I think I could valuebet the river or not. I would never turn 88 into a bluff, because when people c/c this turn, it usually is a better hand (TT, Qx+) that will not fold, or it's a hand that I beat (77, AJ high).
Turn I mentioned betting small with entire range because people c/f so often (it can induce a wider c/c range and tough spot for villain on river). But I think betting normally is better after all hehe
Things like the QJ call down... how much weight do you assign to the fact that you must be, in terms of the general reg population, slightly on the side of being cally in big pots! So at which point do you decide, 'look I'm known as a station so time to change up'. I struggle with this basically, in terms of going from extreme to extreme both with bluffing and calling based on my perception of my own image....
that's something I struggle with as well. What I try to pay close attention to is if the other player is betting into me on the turn and I say to myself 'I should call on xx rivers'. Usually that means I expect him to bet rivers with his bluffs. If he then checks the river while it was clear that my range was fairly weak/wide, I take a mental note and tighten my calling range.
Other than that it mostly comes down to the standard call if I think he expects me not to and fold otherwise
