ive been having trouble deciding which one is correct - playing superloose vs fish in order to get into more pots with them or playing tight to maximize my preflop edge which transforms into an even greater postflop edge given how much stronger my range will be ? saw you opening 87o BVB vs 40bb dude, seems loose ? would you open it if you knew he was a fish/shortstacker and how much does it change if you were ip instead of oop ? like would you open 75o there vs fish, what about Q3o, 72o etc ? and would you open them if u were the BTN and they were blinds and other dude is an OKish reg ?
also A7o defend BVB which ran out A5484 and u folded riv, are u at all worried about ur range being capped here to a lot of weak Ax and pair+gutter type hands and very few hands u can "not fold" with (prob AJ maybe AT maaaaybe A9 i assume? and then some 4x but rarely) ?
i guess im just having trouble with deciding how loose i should be playing, like when i write it out then playing pretty fucking loose in a ton of spots makes a lot of sense given how much people fold or how much of an edge i should have IP, but by that logic not folding ATC BVB to SB steal also makes sense and i dont think very many winning players are using that strategy ...
oh also could you elaborate your thoughts on the 87o hand on HU table where you c/c twice on J946r, i mean i understand pre and i guess flop but how the fuck can a turn call be profitable there OOP w 8 high, do you plan on leading a ton of broadwayish rivers ? why should that work ? to me it just seems you are behind even vs half of his draws (mainly all the bigger broadway QT KQ type stuff) and if you arent you will get barreled anyway ?
On the turn you say ''I am kind of obligated to call because my equity increases''. I never understand this. What does it matter that your equity did increase? I also never get it after a c-bet when a coach 2barrels ''because equity increased''.
For example: What is the difference with 10% equity on flop and 30% equity on turn compared to 30% equity flop and 30% equity turn? I don't get what your flop equity has to do with it. Is it not just about how your range on turn does vs his range and what his likely play is on river?
I have kind of trouble to explain what my question is, so if you don't get what I mean just tell me and I will try again.
7:34 table 1
You open KJo 3bb, get 3bet to 9bb, and you make it 16bb, which is even smaller than 2 times his 3bet. What is the theory behind this? Never have seen such small 4bets IP I guess.
8:51 table 1
''I am just gonna bet 80''. What is your reason behind this bet? I guess it is a bluff? Would you also bet this sizing with a small flush? And a high flush? I would bet as played around 1/2 pot to get small flushes to fold, or do you think this sizing accomplishes the same because it looks so much like a valuebet? If I did understand it right it was a valuebet because you thought he was unlikely to have spades, but what worse hands do you think are gonna call?
11:11 table 3
Why do you open pre flop? Is it because there is a fish on the button and you want to play as many pots as possible with him? My standard would be to fold here (nutsinho thought a9o would already be very close if I remember correct), unless there is a big fish in the blinds or the btn is a huge nit and the blinds fold a lot to steals.
14:50 table 1
You 3bet vs minopen to 7bb, is this std for you? How much do you make it vs 2.5x? My question is more about your flopsizing, since you make it 2/3 pot, which is kind of big for a 3bet pot I guess. I normally don't go bigger than 60% unless I want to make it a 2street game. Why this sizing? Is this because he did minopen pre flop and you want to be able to get stacks in by the river? Or is this because of boardtexture? Or both? For example if villain did 2.5x and you did make it 9bb, would you c-bet a smaller % of the pot because you will still be able to get stacks in by the river?
14:55 table 3
Why did you 3-bet? I would call here to play a pot with our buddy oronno and donk a lot of flops if I hit anything good. Same for AA/KK, what do you think about this? Or do you 3bet because his UTG range is pretty strong so even with a fish it will be hard to play profitable? Do you rather flat this hand if CO/BTN opened and you had this hand in sb with a fish in the bb or do you still 3bet?
24:00 table 3
Why do you choose this sizing on the turn vs a fish? I would bet around 95% here because I think he never folds Qx or a draw. Same for river basically, why don't you make it a lot bigger since he is very unlikely to fold Qx? Do you agree with this or do you think even fish might be scared for larger betsizing?
40:00 table 1
You said you ''didn't like a 3bet because....''. What was this reason? I assume you bet turn for value, but why do you bet river? For value from Ax and worse pairs? Or to let TT/JJ fold?
47:40 table 3
You say you 3-bet ''because you have to go after him'' after the few hands that happened before. Could you maybe explain a bit more about this? To me it felt like since you just won a few pots in a row from him, he might be a bit on tilt/loosen up, so what I use to do in a situation like this is nitting it up and let him spew his chips to me. But for you it is just an extra reason to put pressure on him. Curious what your reasoning is behind this.
53:25 table 1
''I think I am just gonna lead''. Why? If it is too weak to c/c, why is it donking better compared to a c/r?
55:50 table 3
''I am just gonna bet again here'' (turn), again, why?
Chewy when you folded the A7 hand when the board paired on the river at 5:40, was your read that he would very rarely triple barrel in that spot? do you think the bet size looked like a value spot for him 195 into 350?
i would be interested to know your decision to check call the flop and turn to fold the river given that board paired which you have always said is a bad spot to bluff? on that merit are we obligated to give him credit for having you beat here given that this is 5/10.
ive been having trouble deciding which one is correct - playing superloose vs fish in order to get into more pots with them or playing tight to maximize my preflop edge which transforms into an even greater postflop edge given how much stronger my range will be ? saw you opening 87o BVB vs 40bb dude, seems loose ? would you open it if you knew he was a fish/shortstacker and how much does it change if you were ip instead of oop ? like would you open 75o there vs fish, what about Q3o, 72o etc ? and would you open them if u were the BTN and they were blinds and other dude is an OKish reg ?
also A7o defend BVB which ran out A5484 and u folded riv, are u at all worried about ur range being capped here to a lot of weak Ax and pair+gutter type hands and very few hands u can "not fold" with (prob AJ maybe AT maaaaybe A9 i assume? and then some 4x but rarely) ?
i guess im just having trouble with deciding how loose i should be playing, like when i write it out then playing pretty fucking loose in a ton of spots makes a lot of sense given how much people fold or how much of an edge i should have IP, but by that logic not folding ATC BVB to SB steal also makes sense and i dont think very many winning players are using that strategy ...
78o is pretty much the bottom and id often fold it.
i am a little worried about being capped but in that spot i felt okay about the fold.
oh also could you elaborate your thoughts on the 87o hand on HU table where you c/c twice on J946r, i mean i understand pre and i guess flop but how the fuck can a turn call be profitable there OOP w 8 high, do you plan on leading a ton of broadwayish rivers ? why should that work ? to me it just seems you are behind even vs half of his draws (mainly all the bigger broadway QT KQ type stuff) and if you arent you will get barreled anyway ?
its not really that big of a deal to call turn w/o sd value oop so long as it's not something that happens with any hint of regularity imo.
On the turn you say ''I am kind of obligated to call because my equity increases''. I never understand this. What does it matter that your equity did increase? I also never get it after a c-bet when a coach 2barrels ''because equity increased''.
For example: What is the difference with 10% equity on flop and 30% equity on turn compared to 30% equity flop and 30% equity turn? I don't get what your flop equity has to do with it. Is it not just about how your range on turn does vs his range and what his likely play is on river?
I have kind of trouble to explain what my question is, so if you don't get what I mean just tell me and I will try again.
7:34 table 1
You open KJo 3bb, get 3bet to 9bb, and you make it 16bb, which is even smaller than 2 times his 3bet. What is the theory behind this? Never have seen such small 4bets IP I guess.
8:51 table 1
''I am just gonna bet 80''. What is your reason behind this bet? I guess it is a bluff? Would you also bet this sizing with a small flush? And a high flush? I would bet as played around 1/2 pot to get small flushes to fold, or do you think this sizing accomplishes the same because it looks so much like a valuebet? If I did understand it right it was a valuebet because you thought he was unlikely to have spades, but what worse hands do you think are gonna call?
11:11 table 3
Why do you open pre flop? Is it because there is a fish on the button and you want to play as many pots as possible with him? My standard would be to fold here (nutsinho thought a9o would already be very close if I remember correct), unless there is a big fish in the blinds or the btn is a huge nit and the blinds fold a lot to steals.
14:50 table 1
You 3bet vs minopen to 7bb, is this std for you? How much do you make it vs 2.5x? My question is more about your flopsizing, since you make it 2/3 pot, which is kind of big for a 3bet pot I guess. I normally don't go bigger than 60% unless I want to make it a 2street game. Why this sizing? Is this because he did minopen pre flop and you want to be able to get stacks in by the river? Or is this because of boardtexture? Or both? For example if villain did 2.5x and you did make it 9bb, would you c-bet a smaller % of the pot because you will still be able to get stacks in by the river?
14:55 table 3
Why did you 3-bet? I would call here to play a pot with our buddy oronno and donk a lot of flops if I hit anything good. Same for AA/KK, what do you think about this? Or do you 3bet because his UTG range is pretty strong so even with a fish it will be hard to play profitable? Do you rather flat this hand if CO/BTN opened and you had this hand in sb with a fish in the bb or do you still 3bet?
24:00 table 3
Why do you choose this sizing on the turn vs a fish? I would bet around 95% here because I think he never folds Qx or a draw. Same for river basically, why don't you make it a lot bigger since he is very unlikely to fold Qx? Do you agree with this or do you think even fish might be scared for larger betsizing?
40:00 table 1
You said you ''didn't like a 3bet because....''. What was this reason? I assume you bet turn for value, but why do you bet river? For value from Ax and worse pairs? Or to let TT/JJ fold?
47:40 table 3
You say you 3-bet ''because you have to go after him'' after the few hands that happened before. Could you maybe explain a bit more about this? To me it felt like since you just won a few pots in a row from him, he might be a bit on tilt/loosen up, so what I use to do in a situation like this is nitting it up and let him spew his chips to me. But for you it is just an extra reason to put pressure on him. Curious what your reasoning is behind this.
53:25 table 1
''I think I am just gonna lead''. Why? If it is too weak to c/c, why is it donking better compared to a c/r?
55:50 table 3
''I am just gonna bet again here'' (turn), again, why?
equities don't remain constant from street to street. there's a good chance if you don't increase equity you decrease it.
i like to 4b small, i know im in the minority but it works well for me. if u try it out and find it sucks maybe it's not for you but i'd recommend considering it. also yes i was value betting river. thin but thought he wouldn't really have spades given how it played.
yes fish at the table make me open axo in co.
i'd like to think i've given a lot of great information out to you guys and intend to do my best for the future but certain questions like this are just really difficult to answer because of what i know you know about thought processes. nothing is really too standard when it comes to 3betting, sizing, cbetting etc but all of the reasons you gave are going through my head when im thinking about what to do.
flatting ATs would be okay too.
i don't think the difference between 75% and 95% is anything substantial plus his range is way wider than just tp when he calls pre and chks twice.
i didn't 3bet because of stacks and because not enough dynamic. river was value bet.
pretty much yeah, when people are losing they are likely to play worse. therefore i want to get in pots with them.
if he doesn't bet much it makes it unattractive to cr.
bet again cause i had a pair in a 3b pot where he could have draws that i beat. could crai too i suppose given i thought i was good.
Chewy when you folded the A7 hand when the board paired on the river at 5:40, was your read that he would very rarely triple barrel in that spot? do you think the bet size looked like a value spot for him 195 into 350?
i would be interested to know your decision to check call the flop and turn to fold the river given that board paired which you have always said is a bad spot to bluff? on that merit are we obligated to give him credit for having you beat here given that this is 5/10.
thanks, btw great video
i misread the situation, i thought you were OOP my bad.. still though i would be interested to hear some in depth analysis on that particular hand against this particular villain. how likely is it that he will have a missed draw? or 2nd pair that he bets for value
its certainly possible and id call w a9+ pretty much always incase hes betting an ace i beat but decided to fold this one. sometimes theres no explicit reason except i just didnt think he was betting with a worse hand.
Instinct is the nose of the mind. ~ Madame De Girardin
i can't even remember the last time i ran so good over a short period of time.
obv you still played most spots so well... i have a question though......
in a thread a while back on 2p2 you said that it wasn't less likely that you were running bad in all in situations in tournaments than it was likely that guys like jason mercier and eric seidel were just finding better spots than you in tournament situations which was causing them to win more money than you.
my question is, if you really think it's the case that they are playing better than you and not just running better than you, then why aren't they doing anywhere near as well as you in the cash games? from what i can tell you seem somewhere between top 10 to top 50 nlhu player online. i don't see that from those other guys.
thx for replies so far chewy, i have a question about AQ hand on HU table :
i mean first off do you just flat AQ most of the time HU without dynamics/meta to do so ? like say you played any of leggo coaches HU i assume you would be auto getting it in for example just bc of "he knows i know" stuff ?
anyway you did flat and you c/c QQ6r - is this because you dont wana have a cr range at all on this flop ? or was that just sth u did randomly just to mix it up ? would you agree that in most spots it would make more sense to have an aggro range that you can balance with air more easily (for example on QQ6r it would be "easier" to cr 87s w bdfd bdstr8draw than to float it OOP vs most people)
would you agree that you mostly let the streets play out like they do without re-taking the initiative (barring some good leading spots), like you called down w 97s on 99xxx in 3b pot vs that one dudes KK where flop was 99x 2tone and a lot of players would maybe raise small there to look airy and get opponent to 3b bluff or jam FDs, vs KK it doesnt matter much its prob getting in no matter what
yeh i have to thank you as well Chewy, i love watching your videos, they are all top notch quality, to me a good coach is someone who can self analyse their play in poker vids such as these and explain it in a manner so that we at home can get into the minset of a pro who is killing it 24/7.
runandgun, tournies and cash are two different beasts. because one finds success in either doesn't mean it will convey to the other. so, it could be that some of the skills i've acquired in cash don't convey directly to tournaments or that i am playing better than them and it is just variance holding me back. however, i didn't want it to seem like i am clearly better when there is no substantial way to prove something that is largely ego based to begin with. that being said i would welcome a 4 table hu match vs either and would expect to be a favorite due to their lack of experience in this particular field.
desire, it felt right given the dynamic and our previous situations on paired boards. of course though vs some i would 3b pre or cr flop.
with kk flop raise or turn jam are both reasonable considering i might not get his stack if flush card falls. it is nice for balance to just be calling but if the guy isn't really tripling with air that often it's just gonna cost me at the end of the day to not get the chips in asap vs a nut hand that i beat.
