| BowDownToCaesar |
Gnarly echo on dougiedan's mic. |
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| Zaza |
hey nice vid guys. I really enjoyed the discussion, and agree with the analysis for the most part.
p.s. Chewy u should do more of these dual hand history reviews as I feel u go way more in depth in those ones than in live sweats, and good job dougie.:) nhs |
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| TheStudent |
First of all I agree with completely with Zaza.
Chewy, you explain stuff so much better in a dual commentary vid like this. This is the nuts.
3:50 KK on turn, you guys mention you have to bet turn because you also want to bluff a fair amount. Why do you want to bluff here a lot? When I see a turn like this I always think ''board pairs, he isn't gonna fold much that called flop, so c/f or 3barrel'' which ends up in c/f turn a lot because I doubt he folds a hand like 77-TT on river. So this has the be wrong, so I guess I don't understand this concept. I always assumed a board pairing decreases FE a lot, so where do I go wrong here? Is there a big difference because of positions? Because of ranges?
*realize I can't explain well what I want to ask, but basically I want to know why you want to bluff here a lot when the board pairs. |
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| jnells |
You said that in the first hand villains line is good if hero folds his bluff catchers and not so good if he doesn't, and I think Dan defined his bluff catchers here as 88-AA. Do you guys think that it is better for the villains overall game, to value shove anytime he gets to the river with a Q or just not go for this type of bluff. Unless I am missing something it would merge his range where he now gets value out of 88-JJ and loses to KK and AA, and I think it is more likely that hero folds AA and KK here than he knowingly folds 88-JJ and calls KK and AA until the two of them have an enormous amount of history. |
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| davisimo |
I agree with zaza, the best Chewy vids have been dual commentary ones. I think having someone there to ask the questions or bounce off ideas with really brings out the best in him, plus the dual commentary videos have a good vibe to them, which sounds weird, but it sounds like people enjoy making them and I enjoy watching them.
Thanks guys |
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| luckychewy |
First of all I agree with completely with Zaza.
Chewy, you explain stuff so much better in a dual commentary vid like this. This is the nuts.
3:50 KK on turn, you guys mention you have to bet turn because you also want to bluff a fair amount. Why do you want to bluff here a lot? When I see a turn like this I always think ''board pairs, he isn't gonna fold much that called flop, so c/f or 3barrel'' which ends up in c/f turn a lot because I doubt he folds a hand like 77-TT on river. So this has the be wrong, so I guess I don't understand this concept. I always assumed a board pairing decreases FE a lot, so where do I go wrong here? Is there a big difference because of positions? Because of ranges?
*realize I can't explain well what I want to ask, but basically I want to know why you want to bluff here a lot when the board pairs.
if i came off sounding like turn was a great bluff spot i apologize. i definitely think its a spot where you have to barrel to balance your overpairs but given almost all hands besides fds are lacking any sweet equity i wouldn't be barreling much air here knowing how easy it is for villain to call down as you mentioned. |
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| luckychewy |
You said that in the first hand villains line is good if hero folds his bluff catchers and not so good if he doesn't, and I think Dan defined his bluff catchers here as 88-AA. Do you guys think that it is better for the villains overall game, to value shove anytime he gets to the river with a Q or just not go for this type of bluff. Unless I am missing something it would merge his range where he now gets value out of 88-JJ and loses to KK and AA, and I think it is more likely that hero folds AA and KK here than he knowingly folds 88-JJ and calls KK and AA until the two of them have an enormous amount of history.
too hard to speculate on a river value/bluff range in a spot like this that's gonna vary largely from opponent to opponent. |
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| TheStudent |
if i came off sounding like turn was a great bluff spot i apologize. i definitely think its a spot where you have to barrel to balance your overpairs but given almost all hands besides fds are lacking any sweet equity i wouldn't be barreling much air here knowing how easy it is for villain to call down as you mentioned.
But if it is a bad bluff spot, it means you would c/f a lot, and therefore u want to c/c and maybe c/r some to balance right? So i still don't get why you guys said turn was a std bet. |
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| mootang |
"But if it is a bad bluff spot, it means you would c/f a lot, and therefore u want to c/c and maybe c/r some to balance right? So i still don't get why you guys said turn was a std bet."
Its more of a leveling game because usually your opponent knows this too. Its not a great spot to barrel but not terrible either considering our opponent didn't raise the flop. The answer lies someone in between and ultimately depends on the dynamic you have with the opponent when deciding what line has the highest value. |
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| luckychewy |
well said mootang. it's hard to get past the initial point of it being a bad spot to bluff inherently making it a good spot to value bet, but multiple options are always available and should never be fully dismissed. |
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| TheStudent |
Tnx guys :) |
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| fizoka |
gr8 vid! |
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| jakeduke1085 |
Favorite part of the video was the end when they were talking about first time playing poker. Was cracking up. |
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| Prologion |
Min 41.30 -> KQ:
Wonder if the call pre is here rly +ev given that there is still the SB behind who will in some % backjam pre....
Overall great vid, with lots of cool hands.
Exspecially the hand where you had 33 was mega-strange.
Tbh, I thought it is more of a fold OTR because when you call the flop3b, but do not bet OTR after Turn went ch/ch, you have never air and most likely a pretty strong hand -> Villain should not bluff a worse valuehand I even would not have given him at this point into his range.
For sure a pretty strange hand. |
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| whereismyleggo |
Not the best video, last 3 hands didn't need that much elaboration, if you're playing these stakes already. They were very easy decisions.
Dougiedans thought process is hard to follow, & he himself seems unsure a lot of the time about what to do. This was good in the sense that it allowed lucky to sort of " take over " & convey what could be right or wrong, in particular situations, bad bad in the sense it felt like a member review.
dougiedan is I'm assuming a decent winning player, but perhaps needs to work on his articulation....
Still watched it though because I want chewys babies. |
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