As the video starts I am winning huge pots on all tables at the same time. I am going to post the HHs here quickly and talk about the hands since i never really got a chance to talk about them in the video.
PokerStars Hand #80558252280 begins at 2012/05/16 6:49 pm
Seat 1 (Paulus_rus) is the dealer
scombridae posts the small blind 2.50
Zero 1100101 posts the big blind 5.00
Arbeitmann folds
Razed&Cnfusd folds
aejones raises to 10.00
Paulus_rus folds
scombridae folds
Zero 1100101 raises to 40.00
aejones calls 30.00
Flop: [Jd 6s Qh]
Zero 1100101 bets 45.00
aejones calls 45.00
Turn: [8c]
Zero 1100101 bets 90.00
aejones calls 90.00
River: [Ah]
Zero 1100101 checks
aejones bets 349.70
Zero 1100101 calls 349.70
Action has ended
aejones shows [Js 8s] Two Pair, Jacks and Eights
Zero 1100101 mucks [Ks Kd] One Pair, Kings
aejones wins 1049.10
Preflop is speculative here, J8s is in my elastic range here, I'll fold is usually, call it sometimes, and 4-bet it rarely. Flop is standard. Turn is standard, a shove is fine if a FD turns. River is pretty thin-- I was going to hate life if he shoved, but once he checks I assume I have the best hand 80%+ of the time. It's a little hard for him to call his hands since no FDs missed and I don't have *that* many bluffs in my range, but KQ, AK, and KK are pretty strong hands (as well as the occasional time he has 86s or something) and I know he deems me capable of turning pair + SD into a bluff here. He also might think he has a zero CC'ing range on this river and think I'm capable of exploiting that. For those reasons, and the fact that I like to bluff and people like to call me, I definitely have to value shove here. I think I bet pot instead of shoving, that was a misclick.
PokerStars Hand #80558265608 begins at 2012/05/16 6:50 pm
Seat 1 (aejones) is the dealer
rutenij1 posts the small blind 2.50
10K-in-Clay posts the big blind 5.00
Paulus_rus folds
sharky3107 folds
Banisher666 folds
aejones raises to 10.00
rutenij1 folds
10K-in-Clay raises to 35.00
aejones calls 25.00
Flop: [3c Ts 3h]
10K-in-Clay bets 40.00
aejones calls 40.00
Turn: [6d]
10K-in-Clay checks
aejones checks
River: [Qc]
10K-in-Clay bets 135.00
aejones raises to 430.20
10K-in-Clay calls 295.20
Action has ended
aejones shows [6c 6s] Full House, Sixes full of Threes
10K-in-Clay shows [9c Qd] Two Pair, Queens and Threes
Pre is standard, flop is standard. Turn is fancy. I check back the turn here pretty rarely, but I don't really expect to get CR'd bluffed often. Most importantly, while building a pot is almost always very important with big hands, I think it's incredibly likely that with my image against a competent opponent anything he was going to CC turn with, he may CC river with OR bet-call river with (this is because I have bluff shove river more than most/turn things into bluffs and because villain knows this). The tipping point therefore is that sometimes I need to have him catch up, which he happened to do in this hand, and he also happened to bet-call in a spot where most wouldn't because of the dynamic between us.
PokerStars Hand #80558279591 begins at 2012/05/16 6:50 pm
Seat 1 (Di Rossi81) is the dealer
DANTE0FPOKER posts the small blind 2.50
aejones posts the big blind 5.00
Zero 1100101 folds
Paulus_rus raises to 15.00
dankness3 folds
Di Rossi81 folds
DANTE0FPOKER calls 12.50
aejones calls 10.00
Flop: [Ac Qh 3h]
DANTE0FPOKER checks
aejones checks
Paulus_rus bets 22.00
DANTE0FPOKER calls 22.00
aejones raises to 74.00
Paulus_rus raises to 145.00
DANTE0FPOKER folds
aejones raises to 488.99
Paulus_rus calls 343.99
Turn: [9s]
River: [6d]
Action has ended
aejones shows [3c 3s] Three of a Kind, Threes
Paulus_rus shows [Ah Jh] One Pair, Aces
I talked about this hand a bit in the video, I just wanted to expound on one point: I think villain's play in this hand is really bad. There are a TON of good spots to b3b the flop with pair + FDs... this isn't one of htem. Villain should be doing a few things: 1. Letting me (bluffer) bluff, 2. letting SB (likely weak) stay in with weak hands. He has one of those awesome hands that is a draw but can call all turns (these hands are sweet and you should take an opportunity to play strong draws like this against aggressive opponents, especially if their bluff cards will complete your draws and if they won't put you on the draw because non-SD value draws should fold turn). His 3-bet assures that he only gets it in against EXACTLY KThh as far as dominated draws, and sets and two pairs, which he's fucked against (one way to make a good hand into a not good hand, assure that the best it can do it get it in as a flip). My play is incredibly standard.
beginning is hilarious. a3xc hand is good fun too.
imo, you seem pretty 4bettable in non BVB situations (3betting UTG raises wide, and generally a ton in position, but not w/ QQ for value - although against that guy who was 14/10 or whatever, flat was prob correct).
it's pretty easy to establish a dynamic where you can 3bet/5bet axs, kqo, shit pairs in blind wars (ranges are so wide, and the steal/resteal situation happens so often), but this doesn't really happen as quickly/easily in other spots. it would probably be pretty valuable for you to try and figure out which guys are on the "he 3bet my utg open, i must fold" level vs. the "this guy 3bets ridiculously often, but isn't too merged in this spot, i'll just 4bet AQ, AJ, KQ everytime".
i think enough people watch your vids that they prob 4bet you ridiculously often, so it might be a spot to switch gears.
edit: as i wrote this, you 3bet/5bet QJs vs a tight player (co vs butt, though)
I also get cold 4bet a lot, I adjust okay to it but frankly I still just 3-bet too much in position. It's not a terrible problem to have, you just have to rip it in with Q6s every once in a while. I have a decent grasp on who does and doesn't cold 4bet me a lot, I actually just made a video coming out in two weeks where I talk about how people like to cold 4bet from the BB in Zoom because they can't auto fold and so they have a spot come up where they're "forced" to watch the action and then they see me 3-bet in position and they know I don't have anything so they go for the cold 4. I think 10k-in-Clay is cold 4betting me and folding to my 5-slide as the video starts?
hand1:
mr. jones in general is the theme for 2012 finding spots where people have close to a 0 cc range on the river and merging your betting range? is merging still a term even used?
you seem to make excuses for your opponents call down with KK but I think its absolutely horrendous. you did get value with your thin river shove, but meh that call seems very optimistic and what are you really doing % wise with KQo/KQs here? you call flop prbly, call turn and he checks river you really thinking of bluffing him off KK/AK/AA when you could check back and win a decent amount of time too.
hand3: agreed i really dislike the ajhh hand paulus played, lets just say there are a lot better ways to play it. lol.
What about leading instead of check raising in the 33 hand? I have a hard time figuring out which is the better play in many similar spots.
Nice vid, I feel like I have to watch this two times atleast, since theres so much going on..
Yea there really is infinite going on.
I wouldn't lead in the 33 hand just because the PFR is so likely to c-bet with air and our relative position is bad for leading (easy for the SB to have KJ or Qx or Ax or a FD or something that they can put money in the pot with).
I actually just made a video coming out in two weeks where I talk about how people like to cold 4bet from the BB in Zoom because they can't auto fold and so they have a spot come up where they're "forced" to watch the action and then they see me 3-bet in position and they know I don't have anything so they go for the cold 4. I think 10k-in-Clay is cold 4betting me and folding to my 5-slide as the video starts?
That is what I think too. Also it seems people like 3betting BB a bit more than at other stakes. Even at 100nl Zoom it seems guys are cold 4betting a lot.
Good video. Very funny commentary. Thought process is well articulated, it would however be nice to see zoom a video where you're not running as well....
Also, what software are you using? ( giving you those " played draw on turn passively " notes etc.)
Good video. Very funny commentary. Thought process is well articulated, it would however be nice to see zoom a video where you're not running as well....
Also, what software are you using? ( giving you those " played draw on turn passively " notes etc.)
I haven't posted here before, but I thought I should pop my cherry by saying that your zoom videos are a hell of a lot of fun.
Don't get me wrong, they're damn informative, but a hell of a lot of fun.
most interesting hand to me in video is @11:15--- bottom left table
we have as9h and cr a board of Q-J-8r-5-A
On river you seem really confused and randomly fire $88 on river claiming its a value bet.
Any thoughts in retrospect about this hand? I probably wouldnt vbet or reccommend anyone vbets river here (not sure we get paid off for times we value own ourselves) but it is a tough spot. If you had say 89 and decided to cr flop here (would you make this same play with say 89s?) then you would probably A fire river right? Its a spot where we should fire the river a lot imo, but maybe not with this specific hand?
I was inducing with a blocking bet because I think his shoving range with worse hands is wider than his calling range with worse hands. I think he usually has a hand like JT, we were going to bluff that, but we beat that now, so why go all in as a bluff? Why check if we think we have the best hand?
I was inducing with a blocking bet because I think his shoving range with worse hands is wider than his calling range with worse hands.
So you were betting $88 and calling it off. I expect the times that we bet small/call shove to not be profitable because while he may turn some of his pair+str8 draws into a bluff, he will usually have us beat more often then he turns some worse combos into a bluff.
I think he usually has a hand like JT, we were going to bluff that, but we beat that now, so why go all in as a bluff?
I said with this specific hand I dont like going all in. I like check/folding. He might deduce that when we check river he should bet these hands but to be honest I don't think a lot of people do that enough.
Why check if we think we have the best hand?
I am not so convinced we have the best hand. His range is seemingly uncapped too, and if you go through combos on JQ8r, while he could have hands like < QT, JT and slightly discounted TT, T8> cant he also have
I think you get called by a worse hand, a very small % of time because he just cant name much that he actually beats. And your plan of betting small/calling a shove doesn't seem like something I would personally want to do but hey maybe im wrong.
So you were betting $88 and calling it off. I expect the times that we bet small/call shove to not be profitable because while he may turn some of his pair+str8 draws into a bluff, he will usually have us beat more often then he turns some worse combos into a bluff.
What does he have if he has us beat and shoves? KT of spades?
I said with this specific hand I dont like going all in. I like check/folding. He might deduce that when we check river he should bet these hands but to be honest I don't think a lot of people do that enough.
A few too many assumptions, imo. And yes, against a good player, he will shove a lot when checked to. But not too much. He will shove some amount that I'm not sure of, because he's a good player. I think I can gauge a reaction better when I bet $88. Also, sometimes I don't go to showdown, and that's GOOD. Real good.
I am not so convinced we have the best hand. His range is seemingly uncapped too, and if you go through combos on JQ8r, while he could have hands like < QT, JT and slightly discounted TT, T8> cant he also have
I think he's awfully unlikely to have AK. I think he almost never shoves AQ or AJ for value, so we "only" lose $88 (whereas he shoves for value maybe when we check, and he calls a shove if we shove). He also probably only has like half combos of AJ and maybe not even 100% of combos of AQ, but probably.
I think you get called by a worse hand, a very small % of time because he just cant name much that he actually beats. And your plan of betting small/calling a shove doesn't seem like something I would personally want to do but hey maybe im wrong.
It is something I do a fair bit with some varying success. In either this or I think one of my next one or two Zoom videos I bet-call in a REALLY random spot and it works. It doesn't always work, but I feel very comfortable doing it in spots where his calling range beats me, but I'm ahead pretty often, and he might shove hands that I bet.
Basically the jist of it is: betting small widens his range, and we want that.
