In the final part of this series Mirza reviews a 4 tabling $50 NL 6-Max home game on Stars. Players in the game include Chris, Mirza, aejones, and three other Leggo members. Hole cards are revealed throughout the video to add some extra information about everyone's strategy.
Great video guys, appreciated! Was a lot of fun the watch the session afterwards. And very good commentary zaza!!! Def hope I'll see a part 2 of this. tyty
Hey Zaza thanks for the invite to the game and i appreciate the analysis on the hands i managed to butcher :) Been awesome to follow a mentoring series that's relevant to today's games, all the best to Chris and hope to see a new series from you soon. No Qs about the hands as you covered them all good. Be interested in hearing Aarons thoughts on the last hand of the vid after hearing your thoughts..
U say my check back on turn is fine, but why is it fine if it turns my hand so insane faceup? Or is it with the plan of calling a river bet? My plan was to fold vs a riverbet, since I suspect him to check TT/QQ/Jx and that I face a range of Kx+ and AQ when he bets. So basically, the only hand that I beat is AQ. I also still don't get why I should valuebet river. To get value from what? What do you think his callingrange is? Even though we almost always have the best hand, I still doubt he calls with like TT, since like u said it is pretty obvious we have Jx.
27:28 table 3
Should I have c-bet? If so, only continue on flush draw turns and A or do we have more barrelcards?
@Aaron: What did you think of my play in that last hand? I couldn't sleep that night because of that hand.
And like SmackJack said: Thanks for inviting me for the game. Appreciate it.
U say my check back on turn is fine, but why is it fine if it turns my hand so insane faceup? Or is it with the plan of calling a river bet? My plan was to fold vs a riverbet, since I suspect him to check TT/QQ/Jx and that I face a range of Kx+ and AQ when he bets. So basically, the only hand that I beat is AQ. I also still don't get why I should valuebet river. To get value from what? What do you think his callingrange is? Even though we almost always have the best hand, I still doubt he calls with like TT, since like u said it is pretty obvious we have Jx.
I dont see why u cant have air here, u could have easily cold4bet bluffed and checked back twice cos it was such a bad board to continue on , since it hit his range so much, and now decided to stab the river.Once he checks two streets his range is very weak.Ur range on the other hand still includes hands that u wanted to pot control , so u could for those reasons decide to bluff the river, and if u were going to bluff that would be an ok line vs Smackjack here.
Turning ur hand face up isnt always a bad thing, especially at mircros or ssnl , since people are gonna play more straightforward against it , expecting u to go into call mode alot of the times.
I was very surprised to see Smackjack check qq twice there, so by the river u got the best an insanely high amount of the time and if u put in a small bet out there, he could just decide to make a hero call, especially once it goes check check twice. Wether he shoul or not is debatable , but that isnt the point here.
27:28 table 3
Should I have c-bet? If so, only continue on flush draw turns and A or do we have more barrelcards?
The board is dry enough for u to cbet and also ur range in utg is fairly tight so these are spots where u should take ur good image to ur advantage and plan to barrel on quite a bit. It doenst even necessirly have to be on scarecards, since that can make ur barrel even scarier.BUt obviously betting any over here is fine as well.
@Aaron: What did you think of my play in that last hand? I couldn't sleep that night because of that hand.
And like SmackJack said: Thanks for inviting me for the game. Appreciate it.
~37 mins - no comment on some1 folding A7s to a btn minraise from the sb. you think that's not a leak?
U gotta be careful with flatting too wide in the small blind, It really depends on how the bb plays wether or not we should call there , even vs a minraise.U cant just always call there, in some situations its not gonna be a profitable call.
In the sscenario where bb is a fish , or a passive weak reg u can always call.In the case where the bb is competent , squeeze happy , and the button competent, calling isnt gonna generate u any profit imo.
Some people at 200 plus almost dont have a flatting range in the small blind due to the reasons I talked about.Id say the vast majority of people have around 3-7% of a calling range in the small blind.
To sum it up, can it be bad to fold yes, can it be bad to call , thats also a yes.:)
Hey Zaza thanks for the invite to the game and i appreciate the analysis on the hands i managed to butcher :) Been awesome to follow a mentoring series that's relevant to today's games, all the best to Chris and hope to see a new series from you soon. No Qs about the hands as you covered them all good. Be interested in hearing Aarons thoughts on the last hand of the vid after hearing your thoughts..
Thanks dude, it surely was awesome going though this process with Chris, I thought he made a tremendous job , and hope he' ll keep on doing well from now on. Thanks to him again for making the holecard thing possible, and thank you for the kind words.
Great video guys, appreciated! Was a lot of fun the watch the session afterwards. And very good commentary zaza!!! Def hope I'll see a part 2 of this. tyty
Thanks Joeyyy, appreciate it AND glad u enjoyed the series and the last video.
Unfortunately , this was the last video of the series, so I wont be able to use the rest of the footage to make further similar videos.
On the occasion of the last episode of the series I would like to say some things that I was thinking a long time to write but I was waiting for the right moment.
My experience with Zaza began around early October. Since then the trip with him continues and I hope to hold much longer. In the beginning the only thing I think I had was just an appetite and enthusiasm to learn poker. With Zaza, over the time, I managed to improve so much to the point that even I myself could not believe it. He helped me to correct many mistakes in my game and improve my way of thinking in a level that I could not have imagined that I could do it in such a short time.
Throughout the duration of the lessons he was next to me whether or not we had a lesson. He was always there to answer my questions and always had the desire to make me improve. He wanted. He wanted me to get better. I believe it was the only thing that was satisfying him.
He never cared if the time passed at the lesson or if he was tired. He always trying to analyze every play to the fullest and make me see and understand his way of thinking. He wanted me to understand and he was trying that. He wasn’t bored and he insisted until to be sure that I understood it in order to make me move to the next level.
If I had to choose one of the many good he has is his transmissibility. He gave me to understand with simple manner strategies that it was difficult for me to conceive.
I see him every day how much he loves Leggo and how much he cares to improve and help the members. He loves to make videos and gives everything every time he prepares them and he is always open to criticism. He wants to help to make Leggo the number one poker site and he always try for that. Those who have spent time with him they understand what I am saying.
Over the lessons he suggested to me if I want to participate in a series he was preparing. It was the best thing that happened in my poker life. I was so happy and nervous at the same time whether I could handle and not disappoint Zaza through this series. It was really a good experience but all the nice things finish some times.
Apart from a very good coach Zaza became a good friend and eventually this is the most important for me. I am thankful for everything he has done for me until now. Without him I could not be what I am now. I own him too much and I don’t know how I can repay him one day.
Thanks for everything.
I would like to thank also Joel, Peter (smackjack), Jan (The_Student) all the Leggo members that contribute in this series, all the members in the skype group we have, all the other coaches that helped me to improve through their videos and aejones that agreed to participate in the last episode of this series and of course for everything he has done for this community.
A few comments, I tried to skip around and I think I watched most of the video. I will comment on the hands I played in:
A8 hand where I pay off a boat on the end: This is such a good board for me to have Ax, and it's such a good absolute value hand, that I never imagined someone would check behind something trips or better on any street. I think the check works sometimes at higher stakes where the flop c-bet can be floated wider (although in this case stakes shouldn't matter). In other words, I think I can possibly call something like Q9 with a bdfd on the flop, expecting my opponent to be one and done a lot. So against me a check on a street might be okay because I recognized the cappedness of the range. It's ambitious though, and 99% of the time people are just more likely to call 3 streets with AT than they are to bet river and call a raise. I think it was a bad and spewy call on the river by me, but a flush draw missed and it was inconceivable to me that my opponent had anything better than me unless he rivered a boat.
The KJ hand where I 3-bet from the SB. My sizing there is my standard (I think it's funny because 25-50 is probably the stakes I've played the most of, 2.50-5.00 is what I'm playing on Zoom now, and this video was .25-.50, so I was very used to all the sizing, haha). I agree it's a little small, but my experience leads me to believe that I want to keep my opponents' range as wide as possible at all times. I also want to discourage 4-betting. I can definitely be convinced that making it 4.00 or possibly 4.25 is better, but 4.50+ is just unnecessary for someone who wants to 3-bet like 15% out of the SB. I'm totally fine with my opponent opening 40% on the button and calling the 3-bet 90% of the time or whatever. He'll have some kind of range of almost anything suited, Ax, big off suit connected hands, and pairs. I dominate a lot of that, my c-bet works frequently when we both whiff, and sometimes I build a pot to bluff at since my range is like 3x stronger than his.
The A8 hand vs 69s where I 4-bet. My 4-bet size is relatively small here and is generally my standard (although I can definitely be convinced $9.25 or so is better than $8). I am 4-betting a relatively wide range (especially against guys who are 3-betting a lot from the SB) and a lot of the hands are accidentally for value. Again, I am risking the minimum while still getting to keep initiative. Truthfully, I suffer from doing things like that (3-betting 69s) but honestly I think it's just FPS-- if that's part of your range, you're 3-betting like 40% from the SB against one of the best players at the table 150 bigs deep. I'd imagine it's certainly not part of your inelastic range there, but if you have top 8-10% of hands there and another 5% of bluffs (SCs, mostly), that's still too wide, imo.
Once there is a 4-bet and you're getting 3-to-1 immediate it's really enticing to call with a hand like 69s, but I still don't think it's +EV. It might be against ppl who are worse postflop or in position. You flop the jesus flop ~5% of the time I think (2 pair +, pair + FD or SD + FD). It might be around 10%, I'm not sure. Either way, you have to assume that I am proceeding cautiously on flops with cards from Q-8 in them, so a ton of the time it comes something good for you I might not put much more money in the pot.
Against my "value" range of A8+ and pairs 99+ (and hands like KJ-K9o) 69s probably has like 25-30%. I'm never bluffing with 64s so there's no need to add those hands in there, although I'll definitely concede I can have random KXs hands which are good to bluff with, imo. Let's use a better hand to do this with-- JTs, that hand has more like 35% against a strong value range, so you're getting 3 to 1 OOP, but you have to somehow realize 25% of that 35%, so you have to find a way to realize something like 70% of your equity with a hand like JTs OOP against someone good-- that's real, real hard.
As for the hand in question, it's an easy c-bet by me. I float because I don't really think he check raises KJ, so I assumed he had a draw a lot and I was going to rip non-club turns. I am curious. Curiosity is a negative poker trait of mine! Turn is a 9, I figure he's either A. giving up or B. trying to check-jam a combo draw, so I'm just going to bet-call because at this point there is just no fucking way I'm not seeing showdown after the conundrum that is this hand, and I give him more credit for 87cc, JTcc, QJcc, QTcc because they are better hands than the 6Xcc that include a pair with his club draw. Obviously 9Xcc is a serious problem for me, but whatever, at the time I remember thinking if he was fortunate enough to turn a pair, he'd probably bet it. Also, if he was fortunate enough to turn a pair he can have my stack!
I can't believe someone folded the nut flush to me on the river, I am a nutjob, I really want that $35 or whatever was left. EASY call, how can I not be turning two pair into a bluff there?!
Like I said at the table, I thought my perceived range was this polarized between flushes, boats and and missed draws, and since I thought that you wouldn't suspect me to fold a flush, why would you turn a made hand into a bluff? The only thing you accomplish that way is to get better hands to call and missed draws to fold, and obiously that makes no sense since you are beating those draws. Also your range doesn't really have draws anymore I thought after u call flop+turn, so therefore u can't really bluff those.
Maybe to formulate my question a bit more clear: Why do you want to turn 2 pair into a bluff? I mean, u can get a straight to fold, but it's just such a small part of my range that I still don't get it. Also, what 2pairs do u have?
Already discussed this hand with some people obviously, and they all said it was a call, but I just still don't get why, and it pisses me off.
damn i wish i was in this lineup, it would probably the only time i wouldn't mind losing playing against guys who have more money than myself, i catch you next time your planning on doing an SNG or a cash game at 50 nl
