Jared explains how to install Poker Tracker 4, how to configure your HUD, how to review your play, suggestions for table tracker, and how to use the ICM built in quiz.
Just a quick reminder that the PokerTracker Support Staff are Leggo members, we will be happy to answer any support questions Leggo users might have n this thread.
The management at Leggo helped us design PokerTracker 4, if there is something you feel that is missing that would make you feel that we are underrated, then feel free to share it - we are always willing to listen to feedback and criticism. And if the idea is good, then I am positive Leggo management would have your back. Feedback and criticism from our users and the ocasional detractor is what took us from PT3 to PT4, feel free to share with us, we would appreciate it.
Awesome video!
Started using PT4 the day you came out with the video!
I'm struggling to find where I can review my marked hands? Can you help me with that?
Thanks
Every hand report allows you to either click Show Marked Hands which filters to show only hands that have been marked reguardless of the tag used, or you can use the Tag Menu drop down (on the right) to choose the specific tag you are hunting for. Speaking of Tags, they are fully customizable from the Configure menu.
If you need to mark a hand you can do so in any Hand report by right-clicking, then select the Tag option. From within the HUD while you are playing, click the Tag icon which sits to the left of the PT4 HUD Chip.
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Yep, this is another way to view marked hands - w e included it as a filter to allow you to create QuickFilters that are pre-defined rules for 1-click selection. Great job RikaKazak!
nice video how does it compare to HM? i have been considering my options since January trying to figure out which option is preferable
I haven't used HEM2, so I can't compare PT4 to HEM2.
But before PT4, I was a HM1 user (HM1 was my main hud, and I easily used it for over 1 million hands...probably more like 2-3 million hands) With those clarifiers said:
PT4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HM1 ;) I would HIGHLY recommend upgrading.
I know another poster said PT4 is overrated, but I personally feel it's underrated. I think it's a huge improvement over PT3/HEM1, and I highly recommend trying it out ;)
I haven't used HEM2, so I can't compare PT4 to HEM2.
But before PT4, I was a HM1 user (HM1 was my main hud, and I easily used it for over 1 million hands...probably more like 2-3 million hands) With those clarifiers said:
PT4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HM1 ;) I would HIGHLY recommend upgrading.
I know another poster said PT4 is overrated, but I personally feel it's underrated. I think it's a huge improvement over PT3/HEM1, and I highly recommend trying it out ;)
Honestly, I really hated PT3 compared to HM1. When PT4 came out I was extremely hesitant to use it. When I finally made the jump, I still didn't like it. HM1 was comfortable to me and HM2 was an improvement. I was just extremely set in my ways and was used to how everything worked. However, once I fully embraced PT4 and really took the time to play around with it, customize my HUD, popups, and got comfortable with the interface, I absolutely loved it. The fact that the software updated so quickly with the Revolution Gaming release and had the preferred seat setup (HM still doesn't have that) forced me to really give it a shot. It says the world about their developers that they're on top of their updates, especially since it's a beta release. ]I highly recommend it.
My only complaint about PT4 is that it's a bit of a pain to review my sessions. I used HM1 for a long time so the PT4 interface is still a little foreign to me.
I'm pretty high on PT4, though. I love how easy it is to customize the HUD and their note caddy system is awesome. I appreciate how the people over at PT are taking the time to work out the kinks (I haven't experienced any BTW) and are tying to make a polished product.
I was still using HM1 as my primary poker tracking software until the Lock/Cake merge. PT updated their software right away and I was able to use preferred seating. Like jonathanjcr said, HM has yet to fix this. If this is the level of service that we can expect from PT, then players would be insane to use any other poker tracking software.
My only complaint about PT4 is that it's a bit of a pain to review my sessions. I used HM1 for a long time so the PT4 interface is still a little foreign to me.
I'm pretty high on PT4, though.
Posts like yours is the reason we go to work in the morning every day, thank you for the kind words. We added your quote to our home page rotation, along with jonathanjcr's quote.
You mentioned that your having some issues reviewing sessions because the interface is still confusing at times, as our way of saying thanks for the cool quote, I would be happy to give you a 30 min training lesson to help you review your sessions quickly and efficiently. Send us a PM with your Skype info, its the least we can do to say thanks!
PokerTracker, there's one feature that I would love to see that you don't currently have. One of my favorite things about HM2 is their new color coding system for their HUD. It makes it so easy to distinguish between fish, good regs, bad regs, etc, while yours is currently difficult to see. It's not a problem when you're playing 4 tables, but it's definitely harder to catch when mass tabling. It would be very helpful if you improved upon your current color coding system. Thanks!
PokerTracker, there's one feature that I would love to see that you don't currently have. One of my favorite things about HM2 is their new color coding system for their HUD. It makes it so easy to distinguish between fish, good regs, bad regs, etc, while yours is currently difficult to see. It's not a problem when you're playing 4 tables, but it's definitely harder to catch when mass tabling. It would be very helpful if you improved upon your current color coding system. Thanks!
It may surprise you, but we try hard to not look at HM2, we prefer to innovate rather than copy. Therefore its always best to give explicit descriptions when you like a feature on a competitive app like HM2 so we know precisely what you are talking about. In fact we are more likely to listen to good ideas just because they are good and would help our users, than to listen to ideas just because they are in HM. This is good advice whenever you speak with a developer, it helps you get your ideas across quicker.
Luckily I think I know what you are asking for, because a few others have made similar requests. In PT4 each player can be color coded via the note window. We considered adding the ability to color a player from the OnTable HUD directly without having to go to the note window but that idea was canceled for two reasons:
1) We intend to add a player Auto-Tagging system after PT4 is released. This will be a radical game changer for note taking, color coding will no longer be the best method once this occurs (although you will continue to be able to color code)
2) We chose to include color coding within the notes window to encourage good player habits. Colors mean so much more when there is a note associated with the color, our method encourages good note taking if you color code your opponents.
So if I am correct, you want to be able to color your opponents without having to open a note window. Unfortunatly as I explained above we decided to not do this, we found it best for players to require them to open a note window.
is the full version out yet? if not when will that be
The "full" version is already out now, the BETA is unrestricted, you can have access to every feature. We will be releasing the for-sale version really soon. We have a really insanely huge number of BETA testers, and very few bug reports - I think that is a pretty good sign that PT4 is safe to use now.
The training is top notch, I suggest making a little time for it. .
he did, he will get the same level of hands on training that you got ages ago Probability. Lucky guy!
I understand what you're saying. I don't mind having to open the note window to color code the players as it's something I've always done. Sorry for not being more specific. What I was referring to is when you select a specific color code for a player, the color appears as a thin border around each HUD. So when I visually scan through the various tables, it's very easy to identify player types. With PT4 and PT3's color coding system, it is very difficult to distinguish between colors because it's so small. I would prefer something that easily and quickly recognizable when playing a bunch of table. Hopefully that helps to describe what I'm looking for. Thanks.
Sorry for not being more specific. What I was referring to is when you select a specific color code for a player, the color appears as a thin border around each HUD..
Actually it is the other way around, when you select a color it changes the color of the note. When you add text to the note, we include a yellow border - but the color of the note remains the same. As you scale the table, the note scales as well but the border remains the same size, which makes this more obvious. Check it out, and report back to us - we love to hear your insight after messing around with table scaling.
PS: if you disabled the HUD Options for Translucency and scaling then this will not occur, these two options are necessary for the Vector HUD Engine to work.
When I'm playing a bunch of tables, the huds are really small. Actually, the HM2 hud is probably smaller than what I used to use in game, but the PT4 one is close. As you can see, the color coding in PT4 is very difficult to quickly differentiate between player types when the HUD is small, while HM2 puts it right in your face. With HM2, I can very quickly spot who the fish are, the good regs, bad regs, fish, maniacs, etc. at a moment's glance.
Hopefully you guys can come up with something that's a little more mass table friendly. Thanks!
You cant filter by 'last month' or this date to this date. Just Before X date or After x date, not together.
You cant find any stat you want.
The reports are not only confusing but a lot of important ones are missing and i should not have to list them.
By effective stacksizes works just as bad as the one in HEM
Cant even add a % of rakeback to the graph, i mean seriously?
Calling bet when checked to a float? and bet turn when checked back flop a probe? Also that stats in on the first overall tab but they dont put it on flop or turn tabs?
Million other things, i made 10 of my students try it and they all hated it with a passion, they pretty much built it around suggestion from very few losing guys who love making math calculation instead of sexing ladies and forgot the 99% of the poker community
same hud. much better and FASTER on hem2. Also the popup are usefull unlike in PT4 where the popups you cant find any info. Making my own popup is out of the question. I made a few for Hero Vs stats in hem2 and that was enough.
It seems as if you didn't spend the time to learn PT4 before jumping to these conclusions. I hope this (unfortunately long) post helps clear up any misconceptions.
You cant filter by 'last month' or this date to this date. Just Before X date or After x date, not together.
Not true, as shown below.
(note: we already have a minor UI change planned for simple filters to make it quicker to perform a between date range, expect that soon)
You cant find any stat you want.
PT4 includes simple to use search boxes to find stats. We also have a dedicated Custom Stats window where you can research any stat, or even alter it to make your own hybrid stats such as for tracking Rakeback. If you down't want to create your own custom stats, you can download stats that have already been created at https://www.pokertracker.com/custom/stats. I have shown two examples below, both are looking for the word ANY to only show stats that contain that word.
Configure - > Statistics
Right click in any report -> Configure Report
The reports are not only confusing but a lot of important ones are missing and i should not have to list them.
Why are they confusing to you? What important reports are missing? Is it possible that you just did not know how to switch between reports? Did you notice that there is a separate Results and Stats report headings, followed by sub reports? In most sub reports you can also drill down to see your hands, and even drag over the graph to filter that range. If you are correct that some reports are missing, then we cannot address this without your list. Honestly, we are not hearing this from others, you are one of the first to ever make this claim - therefore your insight would be helpful if this is in fact correct.
On a related note, any report we do not include can be created on the fly using My Reports, or if you want to download a custom report that someone else created you can download it at https://www.pokertracker.com/custom/reports. We are beginning to see some really great My Reports submissions that are great for post game review and coaching in very specific scenarios, this is because My Reports includes a saved filters. For example one of my favorites is CBet 2 Barrels & Lost the Hand found here: https://www.pokertracker.com/custom/download/1347/cbet_2_barrels__lost.pt4rpt
By effective stacksizes works just as bad as the one in HEM
PokerTracker 4 computes stack size using data acquired at the end of the prior hand. Effective stack size is calculated using the lowest stack size remaining to act at the table in relation to the Active Player's stack, I cannot imagine any other way to calculate this, it is as accurate as the data provided by the poker room is. The weak point is the data provided by the prior hand history, this is not something we can fix, blame the poker room for not providing an API with accurate data, we are forced to use the data from the end of the prior hand and if a player's stack is no included in the prior hand, then there is nothing that can be done about that - always use stack size with a grain of salt accordingly.
Cant even add a % of rakeback to the graph, i mean seriously?
In PT4 rakeback is calculated using Custom Stats which are taken from our Download Warehouse. We do this because rake calculation is constantly changing, for example Microgaming just announced a major change to it's rake calculation methods on June 15th, This allows us to maintain rake stats that are being updated by date, for example if a change occurs on Jan 21st 2012 then we can assure that rake is calculated differently prior to that date. Additionally we have 4 different methods of rake calculation already built into PT4 so if you wanted to wing it, that is easily done. Our comeptitor uses a 1 size fits all philosophy, this introduces too much inaccuracy into the equation. Download site specific rake stats here - https://www.pokertracker.com/custom/stats.
To graph rakeback, all you need to do is
1) add the custom stat for your specific site
2) Click Show Stats in the My Graphs page, then click configure.
3) Add the custom stat for your site (hint: use the search box, type the name of the site). Click to SUM the results.
In the example shown below we are using the My Currency Won + Rakeback (MERGE) custom stat.
PS: My Currency is your automatically converted master currency, this differs from Game Currency which is the actual currency used at the table. This means you can deposit and track all your winnings in Sweedish Kroners, play on Euro, USD, and GBP tables, and ALWAYS have accurate conversion rates because we rely on the daily bank rate, we do not use an arbitrary fixed rate like our competitors use.
Calling bet when checked to a float? and bet turn when checked back flop a probe? Also that stats in on the first overall tab but they dont put it on flop or turn tabs?
PokerTracker (and PokerAce HUD which we created) was around for years before our competitors came along and borrowed from our design, concept, and stat names liberally. VPIP, PFR, etc were all created by PokerTracker. But there are some stat names which differ, when we originally created these stats ages ago our developers chose different names than were commonly used in the poker world to make it easier to display in a report. For example including a label "Cbet when checked to" in a HUD would eat up critical real estate, therefore we used the term float instead. There are only a few stats like this whose names differ from what you may be used to, but that doesn't really matter because you can edit the stat's label in the HUD so it says anything - of you don't like probe then change the label, ez game! If you don't like our designes, you are always free to alter them or create your own.
they pretty much built it around suggestion from very few losing guys who love making math calculation instead of sexing ladies and forgot the 99% of the poker community
If you think AEJones and the rest of the Leggo management team are losing players, or if you think Ben Lamb, Shaun Deeb, and noted poker authors Jeff Hwang and James Sweeney don't know anything about poker, then you have a good point ;-) We worked with a wide range of world class players on PokerTracker 4 as our sounding board as major changes were made to the app. These are just a few of the big names who were involved, and we greatly appreciate their feedback and insight. We did not design PT4 in a vacuum, it is true we used years of feedback from our PT3 users to create a baseline, but when one of our experts disagreed with the baseline we always factored in their suggestions.
Also the popup are usefull unlike in PT4 where the popups you cant find any info. Making my own popup is out of the question.
This translates into "I am used to one way of working" - we accept this, we know this it is a valid reason for not wanting to switch to PT4. Nothing wrong with that at all! With that said, your personal preference is just because you are used to something else, it does not mean that a newer method is not as good - or better as is the case with PT4. In the end software is a tool, the tool is only as useful as you are willing to let it be, you must first learn how to use the tool for it to be more efficient than your old method.
I made a few for Hero Vs stats in hem2 and that was enough.
I'll let others elaborate on why Vs Hero stats are virtually worthless, that is a topic that is outside the scope of this post. I advise that you should instead us VS Position and BY Position as two separate stats, combined they will provide far more meaningful results. Trust me, this is really good advice no matter which application you chose to use.
When I'm playing a bunch of tables, the huds are really small. Actually, the HM2 hud is probably smaller than what I used to use in game, but the PT4 one is close. As you can see, the color coding in PT4 is very difficult to quickly differentiate between player types when the HUD is small, while HM2 puts it right in your face. With HM2, I can very quickly spot who the fish are, the good regs, bad regs, fish, maniacs, etc. at a moment's glance.
Hopefully you guys can come up with something that's a little more mass table friendly. Thanks!
Thank you very much for your feedback, I shared your post with our management team for review. We have some alternative ideas that we are exploring for post PT4 release that should address your issue, it will take some time to get to this issue because we have a long priority list, but it is being considered. I don't want to share the idea until we know for sure that we can implement the alternative coloring concept, but once we do I'll post on Leeggo to make the announcement. Much appreciated!
+1 to the request for color coding the entire box rather than just the Note box. Other than that, I really like PT4 and am looking forward to the native Mac version.
Thanks PT for posting screen shots and going through all of that. I saw the post this morning and was going to answer it tonight, but you beat me to it ;) You're really going above and beyond in this thread!
You're really going above and beyond in this thread!)
Its the least we can do after all the help Leggo management gave us during development, we will have a permanent presence on Leggo now, this is virtually guaranteed.
It seems as if you didn't spend the time to learn PT4 before jumping to these conclusions. I hope this (unfortunately long) post helps clear up any misconceptions.
Not true, as shown below.
(note: we already have a minor UI change planned for simple filters to make it quicker to perform a between date range, expect that soon)
PT4 includes simple to use search boxes to find stats. We also have a dedicated Custom Stats window where you can research any stat, or even alter it to make your own hybrid stats such as for tracking Rakeback. If you down't want to create your own custom stats, you can download stats that have already been created at https://www.pokertracker.com/custom/stats. I have shown two examples below, both are looking for the word ANY to only show stats that contain that word.
Configure - > Statistics
Right click in any report -> Configure Report
Why are they confusing to you? What important reports are missing? Is it possible that you just did not know how to switch between reports? Did you notice that there is a separate Results and Stats report headings, followed by sub reports? In most sub reports you can also drill down to see your hands, and even drag over the graph to filter that range. If you are correct that some reports are missing, then we cannot address this without your list. Honestly, we are not hearing this from others, you are one of the first to ever make this claim - therefore your insight would be helpful if this is in fact correct.
On a related note, any report we do not include can be created on the fly using My Reports, or if you want to download a custom report that someone else created you can download it at https://www.pokertracker.com/custom/reports. We are beginning to see some really great My Reports submissions that are great for post game review and coaching in very specific scenarios, this is because My Reports includes a saved filters. For example one of my favorites is CBet 2 Barrels & Lost the Hand found here: https://www.pokertracker.com/custom/download/1347/cbet_2_barrels__lost.pt4rpt
PokerTracker 4 computes stack size using data acquired at the end of the prior hand. Effective stack size is calculated using the lowest stack size remaining to act at the table in relation to the Active Player's stack, I cannot imagine any other way to calculate this, it is as accurate as the data provided by the poker room is. The weak point is the data provided by the prior hand history, this is not something we can fix, blame the poker room for not providing an API with accurate data, we are forced to use the data from the end of the prior hand and if a player's stack is no included in the prior hand, then there is nothing that can be done about that - always use stack size with a grain of salt accordingly.
In PT4 rakeback is calculated using Custom Stats which are taken from our Download Warehouse. We do this because rake calculation is constantly changing, for example Microgaming just announced a major change to it's rake calculation methods on June 15th, This allows us to maintain rake stats that are being updated by date, for example if a change occurs on Jan 21st 2012 then we can assure that rake is calculated differently prior to that date. Additionally we have 4 different methods of rake calculation already built into PT4 so if you wanted to wing it, that is easily done. Our comeptitor uses a 1 size fits all philosophy, this introduces too much inaccuracy into the equation. Download site specific rake stats here - https://www.pokertracker.com/custom/stats.
To graph rakeback, all you need to do is
1) add the custom stat for your specific site
2) Click Show Stats in the My Graphs page, then click configure.
3) Add the custom stat for your site (hint: use the search box, type the name of the site). Click to SUM the results.
In the example shown below we are using the My Currency Won + Rakeback (MERGE) custom stat.
PS: My Currency is your automatically converted master currency, this differs from Game Currency which is the actual currency used at the table. This means you can deposit and track all your winnings in Sweedish Kroners, play on Euro, USD, and GBP tables, and ALWAYS have accurate conversion rates because we rely on the daily bank rate, we do not use an arbitrary fixed rate like our competitors use.
PokerTracker (and PokerAce HUD which we created) was around for years before our competitors came along and borrowed from our design, concept, and stat names liberally. VPIP, PFR, etc were all created by PokerTracker. But there are some stat names which differ, when we originally created these stats ages ago our developers chose different names than were commonly used in the poker world to make it easier to display in a report. For example including a label "Cbet when checked to" in a HUD would eat up critical real estate, therefore we used the term float instead. There are only a few stats like this whose names differ from what you may be used to, but that doesn't really matter because you can edit the stat's label in the HUD so it says anything - of you don't like probe then change the label, ez game! If you don't like our designes, you are always free to alter them or create your own.
If you think AEJones and the rest of the Leggo management team are losing players, or if you think Ben Lamb, Shaun Deeb, and noted poker authors Jeff Hwang and James Sweeney don't know anything about poker, then you have a good point ;-) We worked with a wide range of world class players on PokerTracker 4 as our sounding board as major changes were made to the app. These are just a few of the big names who were involved, and we greatly appreciate their feedback and insight. We did not design PT4 in a vacuum, it is true we used years of feedback from our PT3 users to create a baseline, but when one of our experts disagreed with the baseline we always factored in their suggestions.
This translates into "I am used to one way of working" - we accept this, we know this it is a valid reason for not wanting to switch to PT4. Nothing wrong with that at all! With that said, your personal preference is just because you are used to something else, it does not mean that a newer method is not as good - or better as is the case with PT4. In the end software is a tool, the tool is only as useful as you are willing to let it be, you must first learn how to use the tool for it to be more efficient than your old method.
I'll let others elaborate on why Vs Hero stats are virtually worthless, that is a topic that is outside the scope of this post. I advise that you should instead us VS Position and BY Position as two separate stats, combined they will provide far more meaningful results. Trust me, this is really good advice no matter which application you chose to use.
i didnt read every single word because basically what you're telling me is if i buy poker tracker i will need to read FAQ's and download from your websites extra stats while doing everything in HEM2 is easy and requires no download?
Also how can a tracker in 2012 not even have the flopped set %? that's just nuts. You need to go through a million hoop to filter by x date to x date? etc etc. Aejones is a bad example on top of it, he rarely uses a hud..
Hero stats are worthless? This is why on stars i have a 200k hand db and some regs 3bet 4% average and 9% vs me, this is really useless right? Some regs fold to 3bet 85% to others and 60% to me. What a worthless stat.
All im saying is, most regulars who have tried PT4 hate it and you should look for the feedback given in HEM forums about pt4 instead of only listening to fanboys.
One last pointer. Fix your hud. I have a state of the art computer with a SSD drive for PT4 and half the time i click on the note taking icon, nothing happens. Really hard to open notes or those horrible vanilla popups when mass tabling. Very easy with HEM2
You have not provided any constructive feedback, it appears to me that you want to be right - but there is a flaw in that thought process, there is no universal right or wrong when choosing tracking software. A tracking solution is a personal preference, it doesn't matter which one you chose to use, whatever works best for you is totally acceptable. PokerTracker is the biggest in the business, but that doesn't mean you have to use our software - we always tell potential user they should try us along with one of our competitors and then use whatever works best for their workflow. Not everyone works the same way, we accept that, and we encourage our users to accept that too because the choice of tracking software does not make you a better player, it only makes you more efficient. The tracking software business is not a war to prove who is right, in fact it might surprise you that we are friendly with the owners of HEM, we get along just fine.
I must preface the rest of this post by saying that my intention is to not slag HM2 or the decisions of it's developers in my responses below, I am only showing the differences in the decisions between the two developers - there are always compromises to be made in any development decision.
i didnt read every single word because basically what you're telling me is if i buy poker tracker i will need to read FAQ's and download from your websites extra stats while doing everything in HEM2 is easy and requires no download?
Most people who buy PT4 will not need to read FAQs because PokerTracker has sold more copies of it's tracking software than anyone else. If your moving over to PT4 from HEM then we make the process as simple for you as possible, and when you get stuck, our support and guide system is built right into PT4 so you don't have to look far for answers. PT4 is designed to appeal to regs, the masses, and advanced customizers equally, we know that the software is just a tool, playing poker is the priority, not messing around with software.
The downloads exist because we support 24 different networks, each network is constantly changing. HEM took a one size fits all philosophy, it is an efficient method but the tradeoff is that results in inaccurate data because it relies on fixed percentages (or in the case of PokerStars VPPs the application retroactively applies the the current calculation method on past results). Some people don't care about these small differences in rake tracking, apparently you are either one of those people.. for them the HEM method is just fine... for those who want highly accurate results custom tailored for each site, then PT4's custom stat method is the best solution. Sure, it takes a tiny bit of extra work - but it is 100% accurate.
Also how can a tracker in 2012 not even have the flopped set %?
I have a better question to ask, how can anyone who is critiquing a statistics software package not understand that flopped set % is be defenition not a statistic? Flopped Set % would be results oriented, it is by nature inaccurate for everyone except the HERO because we have no way of knowing when an opponent flopped a set unless it gets to showdown. For example an opponent might flop a set 11 times but the hand only got to showdown twice, that is why results oriented stats such as Hand Range in fact not stats at all unless we are only looking at the HERO's data. On the other hand HERO doesn't need this as a stat because we have numerous reports which measure flopped set percentage, including the new Leaks & Lucks report which measures how lucky you are when drawing (pocket pair preflop is considered a draw to a set). A far better method of tracking when an opponent hits a set is by using the integrated NoteTracker automated note tacking solution, this can record a note for each time an opponent flops a set and in turn measure how the opponent plays when the set is flopped. I am not positive, but I think you can also do this with HM2's NoteCaddy; LeakTracker is built into PT4 and there is no additional charge, NoteCaddy is (currently) an extra $90 add-on for both Holdem and Omaha.
Hero stats are worthless? This is why on stars i have a 200k hand db and some regs 3bet 4% average and 9% vs me, this is really useless right?
Do you really think a regs is 3betting vs you 9% of the time just because that opponent is hunting after you specifically, without regard for position, table texture, or (in some cases) hand range? If if it is true that all of these opponents are targeting you more then than they are targeting others then you don't need a tracking application, you need poker lessons ;-) We have a blog coming out soon showing how statistically vs Hero stat results are false, I'll post it in this thread when the time comes. vs Hero stats are an example of users without an understanding of statistics dictating development priorities. We had the same issue, our users demanded vs Hero stats... we consulted with statisticians who confirmed our suspicions and we decided to take the mathematically correct route, our competitor decided to bend to user demand and frankly I don't blame them; after all it makes for great marketing. If the dynamics of position and table texture did not exist then vs Hero stats would be really powerful, but poker is not played in a vacum...
All im saying is, most regulars who have tried PT4 hate it and you should look for the feedback given in HEM forums about pt4 instead of only listening to fanboys.
The vast majority of PT4 Beta testers are former HEM users, this is by design - notice you cannot find the PT4 download link on our website, it is hidden so we can cater beta testing to converters. Many of the topics you discussed have come up before with these former HEM users, time and time again they become educated, learn more about the PT4 ecosystem, and make announcements that they are switching. 'Nuf said.
Fix your hud. I have a state of the art computer with a SSD drive for PT4 and half the time i click on the note taking icon, nothing happens.
We don't have anyone else with this complaint. I run Windows in a Virtual Machine on a Mac which is by default not the most optimized solution - yet I can easily 10 table without any delays while using PT4. There appears to be something on your machine causing this issue, and we are willing to help determine the cause. If you want someone from our team to work with you to determine why this happening on your computer then please create a support ticket and paste in the link to this post so we can reference it - we will need to see some sample HUD logs to look at the timing of your HUD to see what may be causing the issue. You can submit a support request and track the responses from our support team from within PokerTracker 4 by using the Community page, this is an innovative support solution that only PT4 has.
I have 6 people i stake and they all are using the PT4 beta and all of them are experimenting 5-15sec lags with it. Those 6 are having no lag on HEM2 which is supposed to be extremely laggy itself. (enet, which does not lag when i use HEM1/2)
So somehow its wrong to know how many sets you've hit in a session but seeing your "EV" line and "EV" winrates are somewhat significant and useful? Oh dear.
The rakeback calculation do not need to be site specific, you already have 3 types of rake calculated in your software, shouldnt be hard to let people chose which type of rake they want to go by and to add a % of it? Isnt this a tracker? Isnt this program suposed to be tracking our wins? rakeback does not count?
It's going to be fun when you never show how the vs hero stat is false.
In hem i made a bunch of tabs for 3bets preflop and flats. I can click on a name, choose his position and lets say i click on BTN: it will show me
3bet vs UTG vs hero - overall
3bet vs MP vs hero - overall
3bet vs CO vs hero - overall
i can also add the same stats for called preflop vs each position, how is this inacurate?
What kind of non-thinking players are you guys at pt4 if you think some regs are not targetting others because of a certain statistic or personal vendetta? Half of the stars playerpool is breakeven regs looking to piss on each others. If the VS hero stat is wrong then the regular 3bet stat is also wrong. Because over decent samples how the fuck does table texture affect the vs hero stats by EACH position. if i raise the btn and this reg 3bets 10% in that spot and 22% vs me over 100k hand we'll wtf do you think he is doing? he thinks /fold too much or he hates me, how is that stat wrong? its not like HEM is retarded and made an overall statistic like there is so much in pt4, they made a statistic BY position.
I received the PT4 training from Joel and I absolutely loved the training. We started out with the simple stuff. I learned how to review my sessions more efficiently and how to track my rakeback. Then Joel started blasting through all of PT4's features. I was already a fan of PT4 before the training. As it turns out, PT4 is more powerful than I could have imagined. PT4 is to HEM what Adobe Photoshop is to MS Paint. My brother, jonathanjcr, also sat behind me during the training and he was pretty blown away as well. Joel did an excellent job and I believed him when he said that he could go on for hours about all of PT4's features. The thing that blew me away the most is the hand filtering system. There's just so many possible conditions that you can filter for. I also thought that the luck bell curve was really cool. It was nice to see just how lucky I've been. But if I had been running bad, I probably would have found it reassuring if the graph had shown that I was getting super un-lucky. haha
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